Teenage Angst Awareness

[Kíeros]

Now there's all these headcanons, fics, etc. springing up about it and I feel like I killed off Davesprite in them.

It's not you, it's everyone who thought up that idea at the exact same time who is to blame. So you're less responsible than you think.

did you miss that whole thing john just said cause i think that dug into davesprites problems pretty well. he's not the real dave, he's a doomed replacement, and he knows everyone thinks of him that way. that's enough to count as a unique set of issues in my book.

Yeah, if everyone expects you to be like X when you are not entire like that, you're going to have some problems.

[Conspicuous]

did you miss that whole thing john just said cause i think that dug into davesprites problems pretty well
he's not the real dave, he's a doomed replacement, and he knows everyone thinks of him that way. that's enough to count as a unique set of issues in my book.

Dave always had issues measuring up to others, though, including his Bro, future Daves and even Davesprite at some point.
Feelings of uselessness and being unneeded expressed in a different way is how I see Davesprite at the moment.

[gloomy-optimist]

Okay, I'm going to jump off of lurk-mode and play the oblivious n00b: seems there's an establish acceptance that Dave has suicide issues, and I haven't picked up on that, so I'm just curious about the origin of that interpretation.
Aside, of course, from the emotional hang-ups that Dave iterations tend to collect. I'm pretty sure all of them feel kind of expendable, which kind of makes sense seeing as "doomed Daves" basically just die all the time and no one really cares

[Conspicuous]

Okay, I'm going to jump off of lurk-mode and play the oblivious n00b: seems there's an establish acceptance that Dave has suicide issues, and I haven't picked up on that, so I'm just curious about the origin of that interpretation.
Aside, of course, from the emotional hang-ups that Dave iterations tend to collect. I'm pretty sure all of them feel kind of expendable, which kind of makes sense seeing as "doomed Daves" basically just die all the time and no one really cares

Remember that time Dave wanted to fly into the Sun?

Wasn't that just the most hilarious thing a thirteen year old could do?

[Draconaes]

Okay, I'm going to jump off of lurk-mode and play the oblivious n00b: seems there's an establish acceptance that Dave has suicide issues, and I haven't picked up on that, so I'm just curious about the origin of that interpretation.

A large part of it is due to the whole green sun suicide mission. Then there's that dream he discusses with Rose (during the green sun suicide mission) about dying multiple times and flying into the sun in a suicidal gesture. There's probably a lot more that others can talk about.

edit: sorta ninja'd

[PrincessOfSwords]

Whoa, suicidal, really? I don't think so. He had a pretty hard time with the idea of killing himself. Also, one of the marked differences between himself and Aradia as Time players was his sense of self-preservation. Aradia had a whole ton of doomed selves from going back and changing the timeline all the time. Dave actually had markedly few and mostly worked with stable loops.

Of course, Davesprite is the one that went back and changed things. But he still preserved himself, at least for longer, by becoming a sprite.

So I don't think that death is anything that any Dave accepts easily.

Of course, just as regular Dave eventually accepted the idea to go on the mission, I'm sure Davesprite could accept his death as well. Perhaps even it's something he accepted before he went back.

But I don't think he really wishes for it.

[Draconaes]

I don't know if Dave is suicidal either, but he does have issues related to suicide and death. I mean, I guess everybody has something or other about death, but death and suicide are sort of thematic for him, and apparently are for every time player.

[colwag]

Remember that time Dave wanted to fly into the Sun?

Wasn't that just the most hilarious thing a thirteen year old could do?

Yes.

Yes it was.

But he messed it up.

[Conspicuous]

Yes.

Yes it was.

But he messed it up.

Yeah, he arrived too early.

[gloomy-optimist]

Yeah, I wouldn't say he's suicidal, per say. In fact, I was theorizing with my sis that one of Dave's biggest downfalls as the Knight of Time is his issues with death--I mean, he spends ten minutes staring at his own blood on his hands when he first has to throw a doomed Dave out of a window, and he doesn't kill the sleeping Dave on his quest bed (possibly because he couldn't be sure at the time whether his timeline or that Dave's timeline was the doomed one, and by killing him-other-self and making himself God tier that would possibly mean that his own timeline would be the one that was doomed--in effect, killing himself as well).

I think the Green Sun mission had more to do with the whole not-letting-others-die thing, rather than anything that resembles suicidal impulses. I mean, even if he did go through with that, he never really seemed comfortable with the close proximity with death that his time-traveling entailed

[Yaridovich23]

Yeah, he arrived too early.

I've heard Lrd English also has that problem.

[Pinkkea]

I've heard Lrd English also has that problem.

I like you.

If Davesprite thinks he's useless/unneeded/unwanted now, why did he piss John off so much? I mean he could have guessed that the note wouldn't exactly make John go HAA HAA HEE HEE HOO HOO !!! He could've enjoyed John's birthday party, even if he did break up with Jade! He could've slept through Con-Air or something. Do sprites sleep?

On an unrelated note I wore my homemade Void t-shirt to school today. Somebody thought it was the Aperture Science logo.

[ArmsAreLoud]

I think the Green Sun mission had more to do with the whole not-letting-others-die thing, rather than anything that resembles suicidal impulses. I mean, even if he did go through with that, he never really seemed comfortable with the close proximity with death that his time-traveling entailed

This. It's less that he's really suicidal and more that he values his life less than he does anyone else's. He figures that if somebody has to die it might as well be him because everyone else has more important shit to do because they are the real heroes of this story.

[Conspicuous]

This. It's less that he's really suicidal and more that he values his life less than he does anyone else's. He figures that if somebody has to die it might as well be him because everyone else has more important shit to do because they are the real heroes of this story.

Yeah, because it totally wasn't easier to just use his dreamself rather than getting his realself killed first, making it a genuine suicide.

Totally wouldn't be the smarter choice instead of surrendering his will to whatever the timeline said and doing all the stupid shit.

I'll admit that the suicide wasn't his primary goal, though. But he didn't really care about that consequence at that point either.

[Yaridovich23]

I like you.

Totally related: anyone else hoping Sollux appears in the next Walkaround?

[JonahSanctferum]

Yeah, because it totally wasn't easier to just use his dreamself rather than getting his realself killed first, making it a genuine suicide.

Totally wouldn't be the smarter choice instead of surrendering his will to whatever the timeline said and doing all the stupid shit.

Yeah, the smartest choice would be to get everyone into a Doomed timeline and he dies anyways.

As much as I don't like the idea of passively going with paradox space's opinion of what should happen next, there isn't much of a realistic alternative besides "doom everyone".

And sure to Sollux, but only if the next walkaround features Mituna. Those two should appear in the same flash HTML5.

[colwag]

Yeah, the smartest choice would be to get everyone into a Doomed timeline and he dies anyways.

As much as I don't like the idea of passively going with paradox space's opinion of what should happen next, there isn't much of a realistic alternative besides "doom everyone".

And sure to Sollux, but only if the next walkaround features Mituna. Those two should appear in the same flash HTML5.

I think finding that alternative is key to getting a happy ending, personally.

[OverlordJ]

Oh gosh the whole time I was bonding with amazing people over shared interests in a place devoted to said interests and forming real and lasting friendships which have significantly positively impacted my life I never considered that I might be inconveniencing the "asshole who doesn't give a shit and only shows their face around here to bitch about other people having fun" demographic.

I'm terribly sorry.

Hey, I know I'm a little late but I'd like to put that in my signature as well, if you don't mind.

[Conspicuous]

Yeah, the smartest choice would be to get everyone into a Doomed timeline and he dies anyways.

As much as I don't like the idea of passively going with paradox space's opinion of what should happen next, there isn't much of a realistic alternative besides "doom everyone".

And sure to Sollux, but only if the next walkaround features Mituna. Those two should appear in the same flash HTML5.

There's still no hard evidence that Paradox Space can force you to make choices you wouldn't ever normally make. And Aranea, supposedly one of the people with one of the best understandings of fortune, doesn't seem to be under the impression that Paradox Space can do more than decide which of your many, many choices will form the alpha. But those were always your choices!
Unless you buy too much into the inevitability deal, which makes you into a simple tool to express Paradox Space's will.

But all the characters that do that suck, anyway.

[ArmsAreLoud]

I had actually forgotten about Dave suiciding on Jack for no good reason, which is troublesome because that's the crux of the "Dave is suicidal" theory. My mistake.

[colwag]

There's still no hard evidence that Paradox Space can force you to make choices you wouldn't ever normally make. And Aranea, supposedly one of the people with one of the best understandings of fortune, doesn't seem to be under the impression that Paradox Space can do more than decide which of your many, many choices will form the alpha. But those were always your choices!
Unless you buy too much into the inevitability deal, which makes you into a simple tool to express Paradox Space's will.

But all the characters that do that suck, anyway.

Terezi would not have normally stabbed Vriska, until Paradox Space put a gun to her head.

It is not a choice she would have normally made, but it is the one she was forced to do for her own survival.

[Conspicuous]

Terezi would not have normally stabbed Vriska, until Paradox Space put a gun to her head.

It is not a choice she would have normally made, but it is the one she was forced to do for her own survival.

Given Terezi's coinflip-style mindset to critical choices and the fact that she was put on the spot it would be pretty plausible that she really only could think of two potential choices to make at that point.

I'm with Aranea on that subject, given that she expressed a similar view:
GC: 4ND 1 JUST C4NT R3M3MB3R 4NYTH1NG B3S1D3S THOS3 OPT1ONS
GC: 3V3N 1F THOS3 OTH3R CHO1C3S WOULD H4V3 R3SULT3D 1N D34TH FOR 3V3RYON3
GC: W4S TH4T R34LLY 4LL 1 W4S C4P4BL3 OF?
GC: 31TH3R LOS1NG TH3 N3RV3 TO GO THROUGH W1TH 1T, OR ST4BB1NG H3R 1N TH3 B4CK, 4ND NOTH1NG 3LS3?
AG: At that moment, perhaps.
AG: You know very well the channels of possi8ility at that exact juncture resulted from her decision paths as well as yours.
AG: 8ut even so, when it comes to your key decisions, the possi8ilities are pro8a8ly fewer and more discrete than you have presumed.


So yeah, Terezi mostly just fucked up and blinded herself to the truth, as Seers tend to do.

[ArmsAreLoud]

But it wasn't "don't do it and we go into a doomed timeline", it was "don't do it and the alpha involves you being dead".

[Sollux II Captor]

Totally related: anyone else hoping Sollux appears in the next Walkaround?

yeah. an appearance from sollux would be amazing... biases aside, i'd be eager to see his interaction with mituna.

you could say i'd be... 2 eager

[colwag]

But it wasn't "don't do it and we go into a doomed timeline", it was "don't do it and the alpha involves you being dead".

Aren't they one and the same, really?

I mean considering that the Alpha timeline would not let them be dead anyways. She was looking at a doomed timeline, not a hypothetical alpha.

Although I really don't trust Aranea to know it all there, only because taking her word for it means that nobody is held accountable for anything ever and there's nothing we can do about it and that kinda sucks.