NIGHTFALL: Begin thread 2.

[aattss]

Not sure a kickstarter would work.
Let's see, Nightfall has a fandom of what, 300 based on that poll at the top? Homestuck has a fandom of at least 7 million by my estimate based on unique page views, and got almost 25,000 backers; if the ratios hold that would be... about one person? That can't be right. Let's throw out that math, call it maybe 10% willing to help the artist, optimistically, so 20-30 people?
A new copy of adobe flash would cost... okay, adobe is refusing to tell me anything, but outside sources seem to say about $700 new or 200-300 on craigslist or ebay. Kickstarter takes 30% IIRC, so best case scenario is 10$ each from about thirty people, and it might take as much as $50 per person or more, which is a nontrivial amount for most. And you'd need to go through all the legal hoops and paperworks the kickstart requires, and spend the time for whatever the backer rewards were (probably 88-ish fanarts?), and it might not even work.
Paypal donations would likely be a better option for raising money, since it wouldn't be on a time limit, they don't take as much of a slice for basic things and you don't need to go through any hoops unless you're registering as a business or an official charity, etc. Most of the people who would have any chance of contributing would be here or maybe your Tumblr so there isn't any problem getting the word out and you don't need the big framework Kickstarter provides.
You can also reduce the price if you can prove you're a student, but again I can't find how much and I can't be bothered to search more now.

Or you could take a free option instead of the official adobe product. Piracy would obviously be against forum rules to talk about or recommend, but while I was looking for the price I got directed to this site which claims to be open source alternatives. (When it's easier to download a free knockoff than to find the price of your product, you're doing it wrong)

Well, yeah, but the problem with those options is that none of them are as bad of an idea.

[1412]

Of course, we do have our own thread for this kind of thing.

[Evil Argonian]

Ok, a little late, but

omfg that Karnep
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So good

/savesforfuturebackgroundimage

Also,

Gary: Attempt to explain your job to Dave with the backside of your hand. Miss and hit the wall, and end up sucking your thumb.
Or something similarly Garilatious.

[TheNeonWerewolf]

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ROSE: I guess the question to be asked is, how much do you know about the creation of your universe?
GARY: It started a huge ass explosion, duh. Like all good things.
KATE: Our universe? As in...
ROSE: I suppose it could be said, that some things begin and end with a bang, or even a whisper.
ROSE: But have you considered that the fanciful explanations of magic, and powers beyond our own comprehensions guiding you and us through your own creation, that have been ignored with the advancement of human intellect could in fact have been true all along.
ROSE: In less esoteric terms, what if gods and magic and fate were all real.
KATE: ...
GARY: Wait. Are YOU GUYS ancient overlords or whatever?
ROSE: Not exactly.
JADE: rose, i know explain stuff like this is kind of your thing, but why are you telling this to those two?
ROSE: I fail to see the harm in telling them.
VRISKA: I don’t see the harm in not telling them.
ROSE: I have learned from my actions in the past that keeping information secret for no other reason than bolstering your own self importance causes unintended consequences to blow up in your face rather violently.
KATE: Ya’ll better listen up.
GARY: Kate, your accent's slipping.
KATE: I mean, if you could explain without waxing philosophical.
ROSE: I think it would be better explained if I had evidence.
ROSE: I do not wish to turn this interrogation on its head, but do you mind answering a few questions. How much do you know about history?
KATE: A lot. Just Shoot.
ROSE: Who killed Julius Caesar?
KATE: Octavian.
ROSE: Brutus.
KATE: No, you’re wrong.
ROSE: Who was the second emperor of Rome?
KATE: Marc Antony.
ROSE: Octavian Augustus Caesar.
KATE: You’re wrong.
ROSE: Which famous actor snuck into the back of ford’s theater to shoot Abraham Lincoln?
KATE: Junius Brutus Boothe Jr.
ROSE: It was John Wilkes Boothe.
KATE: You’re wrong.
ROSE: Who shot JFK in Texas?
KATE: JFK, was never shot. He didn’t die in office.
ROSE: What was the codename of the man who exposed Watergate?
KATE: What’s Watergate?
ROSE: You see, my friends, we are from a different universe. Ours was alike yours in many ways, but they do not match each other exactly. There are few universal constants besides John Cusack movies, when your world was created it mirrored our own, but varied in a few critical historical paths to create the time period we arrived at.
GARY: So you are ALL aliens?
GARY: Woah man.
GARY: This is like, 30 Gary, Love Kate.
KATE: Why the fuck are you keeping track of this in Tennis Scores.
GARY: It just makes more sense to me that way!
KATE: Just shut up Gary.
KATE: What do you mean, your world?
ROSE: No. This world is an almost exact copy of our old world. That planet was called Earth as well, and it was inhabited by humans who lived their daily lives ignorant of the children who had sacrificed so much to create it.
ROSE: For all I know there was an alternate version of you two that was killed on the old Earth.
KATE: Wait a second. What does that have to do with you guys being super kids.
ROSE: We were the ones chosen to survive and create a new world. This fact gave us supernatural abilities, in order to unravel the ultimate riddle, and earn the ultimate reward.
ROSE: And we did.
ROSE: There were a few complications along the way.
ROSE: But here we are now.
GARY: Oookaaayyy. Mindbending shit right there. Like, this is quickly reaching Kubrick levels.
GARY: I’m not even sure if I believe you guys, but whatever.

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ROSE: Following the standard set of tropes, I never expected the adult authority figure to believe just one of the many meddling kids.
DAVE: wait so if your one of the mystery gang that explains shit
DAVE: that makes you velma
DAVE: and then who is scooby doo
DAVE: vriska probably
VRISKA: What are you talking a8out?
DAVE: oh right
DAVE: i keep forgetting youre not from around here
GARY: Wait, what about her? Did alternate earth have creepy looking elk vampires?
VRISKA: I don't know what an elk is, 8ut we sure as hell aren't vampires! Well most of us anyway...
GARY: AND NOW VAMPIRES ARE REAL???
VRISKA: Wow. Of course they are real you idiot. There are pro8a8ly some human vampires wandering around. I hope humans don't write a 8unch of creepy romantic novels a8out them, cause if you do, I am disappointed in your species as a whole.
ROSE: Vriska if you could show self restraint beyond your usual caliber and stifle yourself for the moment as I remind you of the fact that I am currently acting as storyteller.
VRISKA: No, it is my turn.
VRISKA: I’m sick of listening to you talk.
VRISKA: You 8n’t the only one who can give huge expositions
VRISKA: Watch me steal the storyteller moxy limelight away from you, like the thief I am.
ROSE: Ugh. Fine.
VRISKA: 8asically without going full Serket on the matter, I am not from this universe, but not in the sense that I’m from a different earth. So that makes me a REAL alien.
GARY: KNEW IT!
KATE: Shut up Gary.
VRISKA: Well anyway.
VRISKA: What happened to their universe happened to mine.
VRISKA: Me and my friends escaped, we kicked the games ass.
VRISKA: But in the end it turns out we actually didn’t win, because there was another boss waiting for us.
VRISKA: We escaped from our universe, and rallied at the next one.
VRISKA: Except I was dead.
VRISKA: Then I came back.
ROSE: Vriska, that was so incredibly vague. How do you expect them to know what you are talking about when you only explain the bare minimum necessary?
VRISKA: It made perfect sense! You would have to be an idiot not to grasp this shit.
KATE: I got the gist of it. You can relax.
GARY: Wait I don’t get this at all? Is she the last of her species? All alone? That is so sad!
VRISKA: Oh no, the rest of my species fine, off on their own planet not far from here, doing whatever the hell they are doing.
VRISKA: Pro8a8ly getting into a 8unch of political nonsense.
VRISKA: I just decided I was 8etter off living here.
DAVE: you mean you couldn’t keep your hands off john
VRISKA: I swear I will fucking crush your skull!!!!!!!!
KATE: My patience for dealing with bratty adolescents has officially run out. I don't care how many world unraveling revelations you have to share with me, it's going to be a long night, just shut up and wait your turn to talk.
GARY: You tell em Kate.
KATE: That means you too Gary

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[Yayz]

a few things:

John appears to be noticing that vriska's linking arms with him.
>john: FTFO.
dude, the whole history thing blew my mind as well. awesome. :0

TYPO HUNT: at the time of my typing, Vriska and Jade have no color in the first dialoguelog.

[automatedGallantry]

VRISKA: I just decided I was 8etter off living here.
DAVE: you mean you couldn’t keep your hands off john
VRISKA: I swear I will fucking crush your skull!!!!!!!!

Well, I agree with Dave, but Vriska's response was g8!

[TheNeonWerewolf]

Guys Linkzeldi insisted I change the last few lines of the second script. So the last 3 lines are different now.

Heads up. Not that those lines are necessarily important to the story...

[Sugarmoon]

I like the new dialogue, but I've already forgotten the old one. Oh well. Way to go memory. ||D

[TheNeonWerewolf]

GONNA NEED A NEW THREAD SOON...............................


I want to do something cool and animated for the new banner.... but I don't know if I have the time or the patience.

[Dastardly bananas]

KATE: Ya’ll better listen up.
GARY: Kate, your accents slipping.


ROSE: Who was the second emperor of Rome?
KATE: Marc Antony.
ROSE: Octavian Augustus Caesar.

Just two things here. First, it needs to be accent's, and not accents. And the second emperor of Rome was not Augustus (he was the first one), it was Tiberius. Sorry /grammarNaziandLatinstudent

Otherwise it looks fine and awesome. Loving the subtle shipping!

Fandom secret: I had to look up who the second emperor actually was. I knew it wasn't Augustus and his name started with a T, but I couldn't remember anything else. How shameful.

[Yayz]

KATE: KATE: My patience for dealing with bratty adolescents has officially run out. I don't care how many world unraveling revelations you have to share with me, it's going to be a long night, just zip a lip and wait your turn to talk.

Kate: Kate:
just one kate. :P

[TheNeonWerewolf]

Guys one of my friends found some Nightfall Macro's in this update macro collection folder thing: http://imgur.com/a/knTIx#29

I love it when I see Nightfall related things in unexpected places.

Like one time someone on tumblr reblogged that picture of Vriska flying above John's neighborhood in the rain, and it got like 4000 notes before I even knew someone posted it. Its at 4800 right now...

[Evil Argonian]

Not sure if this is true, but I think in Tennis it's actually spelled Luv not Love.

EDIT: Also, I know about this much of Roman History:


Well I know imperials from TES are based on them, nothing else though.

[linkzeldi]

Okay.

Let's get this straight.

Julius Caesar declared himself dictator for life, and then was murdered on the senate floor. After he declared himself dictator for life.

Augustus Octavian Ceasar, adoptive son and nephew (I think, not sure), of Julius Caesar watched the Rome break into a violent civil war, and then claimed the throne of emperor after Marc Anthony and Cleopatra committed suicide, and his every poltiical enemy was horribly murdered in some way.

But this only happened because Julius Caesar took power in Rome. And then was murdered. He was first by technicality.

[Dastardly bananas]

Okay.

Let's get this straight.

Julius Caesar declared himself dictator for life, and then was murdered on the senate floor. After he declared himself dictator for life.

Augustus Octavian Ceasar, adoptive son and nephew (I think, not sure), of Julius Caesar watched the Rome break into a violent civil war, and then claimed the throne of emperor after Marc Anthony and Cleopatra committed suicide, and his every poltiical enemy was horribly murdered in some way.

But this only happened because Julius Caesar took power in Rome. And then was murdered. He was first by technicality.

Julius Caesar did indeed declare himself dictator for life, which angered a bunch of stuffy old guys senators and then they stabbed him 27 times on the Ides of March. So he died. Horribly. Marc Antony used this to fire up the Roman people, helping form the Second Triumvirate which Octavian was a part of. After a bunch of shenanigans, which involved killing the third member whose name escapes me (he was rather weak anyway), Octavian basically entered into a war with Antony, the dual suicide thing with Cleopatra and Marc Antony happened, and Octavian seized power of Rome as a single leader.

What made Octavian's rule different that Julius Caesar's was that he made the empire itself. He changed the entire power structure, making it so the emperor had all the real power while still having the Senate think they had the power. He also gained the loyalty of the military and general populace to stabilize his rule. He became the template for all the emperors after him, because what he did worked. Julius Caesar was just a dictator of Rome. Yes, he had total power, albeit for a rather short amount of time, but he did not change the establishment.

I really frickin' love Roman history, okay.

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I hope I didn't completely misinterpret what you were trying to say. If I did, I'm sorry.

[automatedGallantry]

Guys one of my friends found some Nightfall Macro's in this update macro collection folder thing: http://imgur.com/a/knTIx#29

Well, that just gave me more macro options. I think I just took every Nightfall one, plus a few of Vriska...

[linkzeldi]

Julius Caesar did indeed declare himself dictator for life, which angered a bunch of stuffy old guys senators and then they stabbed him 27 times on the Ides of March. So he died. Horribly. Marc Antony used this to fire up the Roman people, helping form the Second Triumvirate which Octavian was a part of. After a bunch of shenanigans, which involved killing the third member whose name escapes me (he was rather weak anyway), Octavian basically entered into a war with Antony, the dual suicide thing with Cleopatra and Marc Antony happened, and Octavian seized power of Rome as a single leader.

What made Octavian's rule different that Julius Caesar's was that he made the empire itself. He changed the entire power structure, making it so the emperor had all the real power while still having the Senate think they had the power. He also gained the loyalty of the military and general populace to stabilize his rule. He became the template for all the emperors after him, because what he did worked. Julius Caesar was just a dictator of Rome. Yes, he had total power, albeit for a rather short amount of time, but he did not change the establishment.

I really frickin' love Roman history, okay.

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I hope I didn't completely misinterpret what you were trying to say. If I did, I'm sorry.

I'm going to make my argument short and sweet since I'm a little preoccupied, and the nightfall thraed doesn't need to be clogged with a biollion history nerd posts when were so close to one hundred, but this is a great discussion and I'd love to have it in PMs.

Anyway.
Julius Caesar was Emperor of Rome, because when he took power, Rome was already an empire.

True, they called themselves a Senate, and the power was structured similiar to that of a republic, which changed once the caesars were reinstated.

But what do you define an empire as? For me, it is several multicultural groups of people, across a great expanse of land, all under the dominion of one central source of power. The Roman senate may have held elections, but they still ruled under the principal of Might Makes Right. Rome began conquering, far before it became an empire. The wars with carthage, the integration of a thousands of different non romans, all under the banner of Rome. That is what made Rome an empire. Not a power struggle between Triumvirates and a change in leadership.

So the first man to take control of Rome, and it's first Emperor, albeit for a short period of Time, is Julius Caesar.

[Maltor Drey]

Kate's last sentence is missing a full stop.

I know nothing about roman history.

[Sindri]

Kate is not treating them as mature and intelligent people and negotiating rationally. This is probably because they are failing to be mature, intelligent, or rational.

[TheNeonWerewolf]

Careful not to go over Page 100 guys. I don't want the thread to be locked. Like, try to stop it at 99.

[OverlordJ]

Awesome update! My knowledge about history is very small, paired with the fact that I have trouble remembering both dates and names...
Let's just say I wouldn't have known who was right and who was wrong between Kate and Rose...

[TheNeonWerewolf]

THREAD 3

HERE IT IS: http://mspaforums.com/showthread.php...60#post6849160

It is literally the coolest thing. You cannot argue with how cool it is.