IDE/Theory 26: They're totally fine

[Professor Science]

Woohoo! This has probably been posted before (once by me) but here goes:

Rose's MEOW code is used to create Becquerel. I say that maybe it was supposed to be Jasper and a Cat guardian.
Then, there is Godcat, the Alpha Guardian. I rejoice at this. Then, I notice that Roxy has taken Jake's journal which is full of BARK code.
...
Someone got their codes mixed up.

You were right up until that last sentence. It wasn't possible to get the codes mixed up, as they didn't travel between universes (unless that was something we haven't been showed yet, but I find it unlikely). It's probably just to show and prove that Bec and GCat are parallels to each other.

[phoenix713]

Little known fact: Bec meows in his sleep, and gcat barks.

[Sporkaganza]

No, it's just a find-and-replace thing. It's got no actual effect on their biology.

[Kaleb702]

MEOW
M=G
E=C
O=A
W=T
BARK
B=G
A=C
R=A
K=T

t1ck
t0ck
8r8k
H34DS (convert 34 to 7 before GCAT-ifying)
honk
HONK
All of them are GCAT as well.

In fact, it seems that there are two sets of GCAT: one for ancestors, one for guardians, troll-ways.

[Sporkaganza]

MEOW
M=G
E=C
O=A
W=T
BARK
B=G
A=C
R=A
K=T

t1ck
t0ck
8r8k
H34DS (convert 34 to 7 before GCAT-ifying)
honk
HONK
All of them are GCAT as well.

In fact, it seems that there are two sets of GCAT: one for ancestors, one for guardians, troll-ways.

That's not how 8r8k H34DS works. 8r8k has only three distinct ones and H34DS has five. they even out to four.

[simon.clarkstone]

@hH- Awesome catch anyways bro, didn't even remember that page. Anyways, +1 confirm to be Alternian script, which makes sense since Calliope is using a terminal from the troll's meteor. Google troll/daedric alphabet and even from the letters visible in the first page you mentioned, there's no doubt about it.

The first thought that came to mind for me was that her having an Alternian keyboard was of because her being/RPing as a troll.

[metaphysics]

MEOW
M=G
E=C
O=A
W=T
BARK
B=G
A=C
R=A
K=T

t1ck
t0ck
8r8k
H34DS (convert 34 to 7 before GCAT-ifying)
honk
HONK
All of them are GCAT as well.

In fact, it seems that there are two sets of GCAT: one for ancestors, one for guardians, troll-ways.

How exactly do you convert these? I apologize for my lack of programming knowledge, if that is what's needed, but I don't understand how you can convert M, B, T, 8, and H all into "G," and so on.

[The_Codfish]

How exactly do you convert these? I apologize for my lack of programming knowledge, if that is what's needed, but I don't understand how you can convert M, B, T, 8, and H all into "G," and so on.

It's simple substitution. That's all, no secret science code.

[hellaciousHappenstance]

Woohoo! This has probably been posted before (once by me) but here goes:

Rose's MEOW code is used to create Becquerel. I say that maybe it was supposed to be Jasper and a Cat guardian.
Then, there is Godcat, the Alpha Guardian. I rejoice at this. Then, I notice that Roxy has taken Jake's journal which is full of BARK code.
...
Someone got their codes mixed up.

It is dreadfully obvious that the BARK code will be used to create a tree you guys. Duh. There is simply too much evidence.*
*There is absolutely no evidence for this.

[Killer-Squirtle]

That's not how 8r8k H34DS works. 8r8k has only three distinct ones and H34DS has five. they even out to four.

Genes can't really work that way. Guanine can only be paired with Cytosine, likewise Asenine [sp?] can only be paired with Themine [again, sp?].

So whatever 8 is, 8 could only be paired with EITHER r or k, not both. Unless Hussie fricked up and didn't know the actual rules of genetics.

[Unclever title]

Genes can't really work that way. Guanine can only be paired with Cytosine, likewise Asenine [sp?] can only be paired with Themine [again, sp?].

So whatever 8 is, 8 could only be paired with EITHER r or k, not both. Unless Hussie fricked up and didn't know the actual rules of genetics.

Why would that even matter here? Wouldn't you just record the sequence of just one side of the double helix? By the nature of unique base pairs you would thus already know what order of the other side must be.

If a sample segment is ordered GCATTAGACAT then I know by the simple rule you mention G - C and A - T that the pairs on the other side are thus CGTAATCTGTA.
So there is no need to keep track of both sides.

[Maltor Drey]

[Not a serious comment]

IDE/Theory: Gamzee is secretly Jake and the entirety of act 6 so far has all been part of his master plan

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to kiss Dirk's severed head.

[/Not a serious comment]

Actual IDE/Theory: Bec Noir will be critical in the fight against Lord English.

[Branetheory]

Genes can't really work that way. Guanine can only be paired with Cytosine, likewise Asenine [sp?] can only be paired with Themine [again, sp?].

So whatever 8 is, 8 could only be paired with EITHER r or k, not both. Unless Hussie fricked up and didn't know the actual rules of genetics.

One base is presumably just not represented in the 8r8k code or 8 stands for two different bases (as terrible as that second option would be for transcription), and the H34DS code would use two different letters to represent the same base.

[dcheng334]

Genes can't really work that way. Guanine can only be paired with Cytosine, likewise Asenine [sp?] can only be paired with Themine [again, sp?].

So whatever 8 is, 8 could only be paired with EITHER r or k, not both. Unless Hussie fricked up and didn't know the actual rules of genetics.

Hmmm. I was under the impression that since the codes evened out to 8 total, that pair would translate as follows:
8 = G
r = C
k = A
H = T
3 = G
4 = C
D = A
S = T

t1ck t0ck would correspond to GCAT normally. There, problem solved! (I think?)
Also could you guys do me a big favor and link to a(ny) page where BARK code appears? I can't recall seeing it anywhere.

E: Thanks blaperile!

[Blaperile]

Also could you guys do me a big favor and link to a(ny) page where BARK code appears? I can't recall seeing it anywhere.

It appears right here.

[metaphysics]

Day 25, and the forums are arguing about genetics

[Chimera17]

Someone has almost certainly pointed this out before me, but I don't have the energy to check, only to divulge this bit of theory and abscond again.

Caliborn is able to read Calliope's name.

Even if Caliborn = Lord English, I don't think that Roxy knowing Calliope's name is actually going to do anything against him.

(is this even the right place to post this?)

[simon.clarkstone]

One base is presumably just not represented in the 8r8k code or 8 stands for two different bases (as terrible as that second option would be for transcription), and the H34DS code would use two different letters to represent the same base.

I have been assuming that the correspondence between the writing and the DNA must have been more complicated for the 3-glyph and 5-glyph cases than for the other ones.

[Unclever title]

I have been assuming that the correspondence between the writing and the DNA must have been more complicated for the 3-glyph and 5-glyph cases than for the other ones.

Personally, because the t1ck t0ck 8r8k H34DS honk HONK are all part of a long string of genetic code spread across six books, I've been assuming that the 8r8k book is just a section of the code where one of the bases just doesn't show up for a while. And the H34DS book has two letters corresponding to the same base as dcheng334 stated above.

Why would it need to be more complicated than that? And how even would that be possible?

Although... thinking about it you could consider genetic code numerically. As though GCAT were the four symbols used in a base 4 numbering system. Then it's a simple matter of conversion to represent that number in the gene book snippet in base 3 as in 8r8k (Unless it's just one of the bases being absent for the duration of that book), or base 5 as in H34DS.

But that seems like unnecessary over complication.

[The_Codfish]

Someone has almost certainly pointed this out before me, but I don't have the energy to check, only to divulge this bit of theory and abscond again.

Caliborn is able to read Calliope's name.

Even if Caliborn = Lord English, I don't think that Roxy knowing Calliope's name is actually going to do anything against him.

(is this even the right place to post this?)

It's not reading or writing the name that matters; it's hearing it.

[Professor Science]

Someone has almost certainly pointed this out before me, but I don't have the energy to check, only to divulge this bit of theory and abscond again.

Caliborn is able to read Calliope's name.

Even if Caliborn = Lord English, I don't think that Roxy knowing Calliope's name is actually going to do anything against him.

(is this even the right place to post this?)

It might not count if Calliope reads it when Caliborn wrote it. One more "rule" of theirs.

[aattss]

I sort of imagined that someone else has to tell him/her.

I also imagined that it's not the act of reading it, but the act of someone else communicating it to you and you noticing it. In other words, I thought that if someone were to IM it to Caliborn, it would work the first time, but it wouldn't work if he read it later because he's just going over what he was told earlier.

[tastySalamanders]

Someone has almost certainly pointed this out before me, but I don't have the energy to check, only to divulge this bit of theory and abscond again.

Caliborn is able to read Calliope's name.

Maybe it's just me but I think it looks like Caliborn misspelt Calliope with a "D" replacing the "O", presumably deliberately to get around that.

[Killer-Squirtle]

Day 25, and the forums are arguing about genetics

Yeah, the genetic code for an entire universe! This is worth arguing about. >=I

Another thing occured to me; early on when Rose was introduced, she was reading her Grimoire and saw that the way to summon horror terrors into the known universe was through fenestrated walls and such. Could other things from the Furthest Ring be brought through the windows like dream bubbles and ghosts?

[megalovanianUmbra]

Yeah, the genetic code for an entire universe! This is worth arguing about. >=I

Actually we were discussing the genetic codes for the First Guardians.