Shadespreciation Station

[Altum]

the miles are years late then. almost three. as an external event, the internal chronology of the frog should not matter. the miles enter at the same points in space and time. they are the very same miles.

This particular iteration packed slightly more internal time into the same external lifespan of the frog. The external lifespan of the frog was less than a day. The internal lifespan of B1 was several billion years. Of B2, several billion years plus three. Not a single shit was given.

furthermore, didnt those miles kill the frog? this would mean these miles on b2 kill it...... years before anyone from a2 or b1 currently in transit could get there. or at least months, if i am remembering hussies thing on why b1 and b2 kids are different ages.

Yes, that's what going on. Why is that an objection? The human kids and trolls, journeying from the A2 session and the b1 session, will not reach the b2 session before the frog containing the b2 universe is destroyed. And...?

EDIT: in fact, we know that already, because the trolls left the A2 session *while* Jack was destroying the frog. They watched the beginning of it.

oh, and by "internal iterations" i think he means the insipisphere.

No, no he doesn't. You should look up what iteration means.

[Kíeros]

the miles are years late then. almost three. as an external event, the internal chronology of the frog should not matter. the miles enter at the same points in space and time. they are the very same miles.

How can a thing that travels through time be 'late'? Do you know how long it takes to travel? No? Then how can it be late?
Also, in case you didn't see, I did math from yesterday; the shade's angle is 98.72 degrees i.e., obtuse.

[The_Codfish]

Oh my gog, guys. I think it's time to cut your losses.

[Branetheory]

The incipisphere is outside of the frog man. It's an entirely seperate time bubble thing. Why would internal iterations of a universe refer to something entirely separate and outside that universe?

noir's miles are kind of what caused the frog to explode, so scratching did nothing. you'd have to scratch a2 to do that.

What are you saying here? Why would scratching A2 have anything to do with the B frog and Jack killing it?

[Altum]

Here is another way to think about the time thing:

Take a piece of paper. Draw a comic strip on it, three panels long. Whatever you want.

Draw another one underneath it, four panels long.

Now set the paper on fire.

Why did it take four panels for one to burn and only three for the other?

[phantasmalDexterity]

-NOPE. EDIT I'm apparently blind-
Also.

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I don't have anything to ad to this current argument. Others do that quite well.
So, what do you think, what will the Roxy panel be? Meteor schenanigans, or Derse schenanigans or Entry schenanigans?

[ghyt wembpang]

Why did it take four panels for one to burn and only three for the other?

Because Imhotep is invisible.

[Altum]

Shorter version of that post: how long is a piece of string?

[The_Codfish]

The incipisphere is outside of the frog man. It's an entirely seperate time bubble thing. Why would internal iterations of a universe refer to something entirely separate and outside that universe?



What are you saying here? Why would scratching A2 have anything to do with the B frog and Jack killing it?

Yeah, see guys, what I'm saying is that

he might be

trollin' ya'lls.

[Kíeros]

Oh my gog, guys. I think it's time to cut your losses.

Never. I will not stop until my enemies are crying pathetic tears of sorrow. Pathetic in the fact that the tears of sorrow fall to the Pathetic Fallacy.

Why did it take four panels for one to burn and only three for the other?

Because of quantum mechanics and density and such. Probably.

[genteelGunslinger]

we were so dUmb.
Also.

You might want to NSFW that first link. Just saying.

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I don't have anything to ad to this current argument. Others do that quite well.
So, what do you think, what will the Roxy panel be? Meteor schenanigans, or Derse schenanigans or Entry schenanigans?

Derse Shenanigans. Roxy turns up running for her life from a giant teleporter. She is followed by the Drone army.

[RAK]

This particular iteration packed slightly more internal time into the same external lifespan of the frog. The external lifespan of the frog was less than a day. The internal lifespan of B1 was several billion years. Of B2, several billion years plus three. Not a single shit was given.



Yes, that's what going on. Why is that an objection? The human kids and trolls, journeying from the A2 session and the b1 session, will not reach the b2 session before the frog containing the b2 universe is destroyed. And...?



No, no he doesn't. You should look up what iteration means.

time is a dimension (like height, width and depth), not a mass you can "pack in". i am well aware that a frog contains its entire universe's chronology. i am not talking about the difference in b2 to jane/jake in relative years. i am talking about how dirk and roxy like 4 years after the exiles did in b1. the -ifacation has no relavance, as you can -ificate through time. the miles are not -ificating, they are entering from an external source. thus they are late.

and they are also early. i remember reading the stated plan of having battleship yellowyard and the dreambubble express asteroid reach b2 when the b1 kids are of an age with the b2 kids. there are 6 months in b2 and 2 years left for the travelers. so killing off the universe before that happens does not seem like a thing that would happen. too many plot strings depend on it.

though, it is possible. i could see the story possibilities. it just seems like it would be throwing a lot of established groundwork away.

How can a thing that travels through time be 'late'? Do you know how long it takes to travel? No? Then how can it be late?
Also, in case you didn't see, I did math from yesterday; the shade's angle is 98.72 degrees i.e., obtuse.

i (perhaps incorrectly) think of the frog as the literal embodiment of the universe. each point within the frog corresponds to a particular point is spacetime of that frog's universe. thus, as the miles dont phase or anything, each individual mile does its thing at the same point in space and time. because it's the same frog. with the same miles.

and i refuse to believe uu has the subtlety to refer to the events that got jack to where he is in such a manner. or even picking up on them in the first place. this is uu telling us this. he's as subtle as a cannon (this is why we were not allowed to see the beginning of the chess game, so we could not know about uu's piece swap request beforehand. that, and drawing chess is fairly boring i'd imagine)

so the 90 degree angle is rotated 98.72 degrees, huh, who would have guessed?

Yeah, see guys, what I'm saying is that

he might be

trollin' ya'lls.

SHOOSH!

[Yrr]

time is a dimension (like height, width and depth), not a mass you can "pack in".

Yes, time is a dimension, therefore you can travel the same distance in varying times.

You have proven nothing.


And hell, having time separate to height, width and depth means that you CAN have varying time in the frog.

EDIT: Wait lemme clarify that; space and time are separate so the Miles' entry time doesn't have any bearing on when it reaches anywhere.

[Altum]

time is a dimension (like height, width and depth), not a mass you can "pack in". i am well aware that a frog contains its entire universe's chronology.

The frog is about twelve hours old. B1 is several billions year old. B2 is several billion years plus four. They all died simultaneously. Any objection you have to this event applies to the entire concept of the frog.

i remember reading the stated plan of having battleship yellowyard and the dreambubble express asteroid reach b2 when the b1 kids are of an age with the b2 kids. there are 6 months in b2 and 2 years left for the travelers. so killing off the universe before that happens does not seem like a thing that would happen. too many plot strings depend on it.

The battleship is going to the B2 incipisphere. The incipisphere is outside of the universe frog. That's why Dirk and Roxy are going to escape to there.

and i refuse to believe uu has the subtlety to refer to the events that got jack to where he is in such a manner. or even picking up on them in the first place. this is uu telling us this. he's as subtle as a cannon (this is why we were not allowed to see the beginning of the chess game, so we could not know about uu's piece swap request beforehand. that, and drawing chess is fairly boring i'd imagine)

uu, like UU, knows everything about the human/troll sessions. They know more than we do. They have it all written down to refer to. In reality, the way uu refers to it is a much less nuanced/more broad description of events. He is summing up a messy sequence of events into a flippant, inaccurate description that appeals to his sensibility and underlines what he considers the key fact, which is that someone arranged for Jack to be in the position to do what he did.

[RAK]

Yes, time is a dimension, therefore you can travel the same distance in varying times.

You have proven nothing.

time is travel. time is distance.

it depends on your relative frame of reference.

ours is finite. "adding" more time would skew something. like bigtime.

you see, using an example of our own expanding universe, space is expanding. more space is not being added, what is there is just spreading out. you'd throw some shit out of balance if you started adding or taking away by some miracle. kind of like how all of the mass/matter/energy in the universe has always been here. none of that shit has been added. so far as we know, none has been taken away. space and time are the same thing.

and these changes to those universe parameters go a ways beyond just fucking with meteor order, mind you.

[Kíeros]

so the 90 degree angle is rotated 98.72 degrees, huh, who would have guessed?

No, the "ninety" degree angle is actually 98.72 degrees.

Space and time are separate so the Miles' entry time doesn't have any bearing on when it reaches anywhere.

That's true.

[Yrr]

There is no time being added to the total time contained in the frog.
The seperation of Time and Space simply means that the time passed on the outside has no bearing on the time passed inside, so the miles' journey time isn't constant.

[LMLYP]

the miles are not -ificating, they are entering from an external source. thus they are late.

maybe jesus was born three years earlier in the post-scratch universe. and who says the miles have to hit both sides at the same time? why cant they come in at an "angle", like this?

and they are also early. i remember reading the stated plan of having battleship yellowyard and the dreambubble express asteroid reach b2 when the b1 kids are of an age with the b2 kids. there are 6 months in b2 and 2 years left for the travelers. so killing off the universe before that happens does not seem like a thing that would happen. too many plot strings depend on it.

the kids are arriving in the incipisphere, which is totally separate to the universe.

just because the universe is destroyed at one point, doesnt mean it "never existed". it just means it has an end. the destroyed universe is only "not there anymore" from a very small vantage point.

and i refuse to believe uu has the subtlety to refer to the events that got jack to where he is in such a manner

i dont even know if im interpreting this sentence right but
uu knows about jack because hes got access to the same "sources" as his sister

[The_Codfish]

LMLYP: Yes, excellent image. Though one should keep it mind that, the two bars only represent the timelines. The space they "occupy" is still the same.

And again, guys, I think I need to reiterate how you all should just....just let it go. Gotta move on.

[RAK]

The frog is about twelve hours old. B1 is several billions year old. B2 is several billion years plus four. They all died simultaneously. Any objection you have to this event applies to the entire concept of the frog.



The battleship is going to the B2 incipisphere. The incipisphere is outside of the universe frog. That's why Dirk and Roxy are going to escape to there.



uu, like UU, knows everything about the human/troll sessions. They know more than we do. They have it all written down to refer to. In reality, the way uu refers to it is a much less nuanced/more broad description of events. He is summing up a messy sequence of events into a flippant, inaccurate description that appeals to his sensibility and underlines what he considers the key fact, which is that someone arranged for Jack to be in the position to do what he did.

you miss key segments of my posts.

"i (perhaps incorrectly) think of the frog as the literal embodiment of the universe. each point within the frog corresponds to a particular point is spacetime of that frog's universe. thus, as the miles dont phase or anything, each individual mile does its thing at the same point in space and time. because it's the same frog. with the same miles."

i can accept an outside insipisphere without too much comment, but does not skaia need a host planet? i was under the impression it did for reasons other than the portal/reckoning thing.

another think you seem to have skipped over is that i do not believe uu could pick up on the events listed, put them together, and call it a commission.

No, the "ninety" degree angle is actually 98.72 degrees.That's true.

it means joke. you stripped it from your quote.

[Kíeros]

maybe jesus was born three years earlier in the post-scratch universe. and who says the miles have to hit both sides at the same time? why cant they come in at an "angle", like this?

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That's a great picture for the point. I don't think they can travel instantaneously, so that works.

it means joke. you stripped it from your quote.

I strip as much as I can from quotes. Smilies are usually the first thing to go. Wait, you've not seen what one of my posts looks like behind the scenes, have you? Well, here it is:

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[QUOTE=LMLYP;6484777]maybe jesus was born three years earlier in the post-scratch universe. and who says the miles have to hit both sides at the same time? why cant they come in at an "angle", like this?[spoiler][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/qAMUW.png[/IMG][/spoiler][/QUOTE]That's a great picture for the point. I don't think they can travel instantaneously, so that works.[QUOTE=RAK;6484788]it means joke. you stripped it from your quote.[/QUOTE]I strip as much as I can from quotes. Smilies are usually the first thing to go. Wait, you've not seen what one of my posts looks like behind the scenes, have you? Well, here it is:[spoiler][/spoiler]

[LMLYP]

i can accept an outside insipisphere without too much comment, but does not skaia need a host planet? i was under the impression it did for reasons other than the portal/reckoning thing.

skaia is the ball of clouds at the centre of the incipisphere

it sort of has a "host planet" in the sense that someone, living on a planet, in a universe, needs to run sburb on their computer, or play jumanji or whatever, to enter the session

the incipisphere is "associated" with the planet because thats where the heroes come from, and its where the meteors get sent

i dont actually know what youre objecting to


is there a way to view the list of emoticons on the new forum layout

[RAK]

.I strip as much as I can from quotes.

lies! you didnt strip the image you quoted, you spoilered. and on a longer string than just mspa, too!

but if it makes you feel better, in all seriousness i concede that the angle is most likely what you say it is.

in all reality because i dont really give enough of a shit about the joke to actually check the angle

And again, guys, I think I need to reiterate how you all should just....just let it go. Gotta move on.

i'm sorry. i cant help it. even after explaining my own methodology to others, i still instinctively do it. addiction is a powerful thing. i'll try to avoid it in the future. i swore to myself i'd not do this kind of thing here, and i rarely go back on my word to myself.

it was fun at first, then people had to barge in and start taking me seriously.

anyway, i'm getting the vibe that im irritating the hell out of the day shift here, and it's about 4 hours past when i wanted to sleep, so i'll just go.

[phantasmalDexterity]

You might want to NSFW that first link. Just saying.

I do better.
:facepalmemote:
I'm blind and stupid sometimes.

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I hope we get an explanaition to that time dilation soon.
Seriously, I hope that won't be another Grandpa in Incipisphere thing. More than it already.

[DizzzyZebra]

I think uu may be inspiring some feelings of terribly abhorrent

FONDNESS

in me.