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    Re: Shadespreciation Station

    Quote Originally Posted by colwag View Post
    I'm glad you're catching on. Anything that results in more (A1) Vriska is obviously good for the comic.

    Also, is it okay to like all the Dirkalts but not Dirk proper? Shades and Jake's imagination Dirk are cool, but RealDirk is sorta lame?
    I don't think we really need to go into all those details for A1. I just would be happy with characters and a rough plot flashback.

    Well, the splinpers are essentially Dirk. It's kind of incorrect to treat them as separate. They are basically Dirk with different motives.

    Also, Dirk is not lame. He's a pretty funny, badass dick-face who is actually really bad at irony. How come you don't like *Dirk*?
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    I don't mind the idea of finding out the names and titles of the A1 trolls (the titles don't really interest me, but I'm sure some of the fandom are eager to find out) but I wouldn't like a lot of info on the A1 session, it just isn't needed unless it is somehow going to become massively relevant. I'm sure it's possible for Hussie to find a decent way of info-dumping anything people need to know in a short space of updates rather than creating mini-Hivebent. Frankly, if the A1 trolls properly meet up with the A2 trolls (could have been done at the moon meeting, but... anyway) one conversation with introductions would give all the information. There must be a conversation coming in order to convince Karkat that ancestors exist.
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    Re: Shadespreciation Station

    Quote Originally Posted by colwag View Post
    Also, is it okay to like all the Dirkalts but not Dirk proper? Shades and Jake's imagination Dirk are cool, but RealDirk is sorta lame?
    I would call you crazy, but that is kind of your thing, so yeah, that is sense-making.

    Even if Dirk is the best.

    And yeah, more stuff about the mechanics/characters/history of A1 would be awesome, even if we do not get full biographies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freack View Post
    MOAr cHARTACTS!
    More Karkats? Sounds like a plan.
    Also, JAke may not be a coward, but if the implied things are true he is not as adventurous as he claims to be. And Adventurousness=Courage, so Jake wants more/real Adventurous. My logicis perfect.
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    Re: Shadespreciation Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace of Dark-Hearts View Post
    I don't think we really need to go into all those details for A1. I just would be happy with characters and a rough plot flashback.

    Well, the splinpers are essentially Dirk. It's kind of incorrect to treat them as separate. They are basically Dirk with different motives.

    Also, Dirk is not lame. He's a pretty funny, badass dick-face who is actually really bad at irony. How come you don't like *Dirk*?
    dirk is bad at irony, ironically.


    makes sense though, as a kid seems to get his/her "dream life" on the other side of the scratch.
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    Re: Shadespreciation Station

    Quote Originally Posted by phantasmalDexterity View Post
    But I think jake is better as the Scarecrow.
    That does make more sense.... Dang you to heck.

    Bro was... not all that ironic by my measure. He was totally serious in a disturbing number of things. Like, ironic in the exact same way as Dirk, which pretty much boils down to being really serious, and honest, and cool. But also kind of a freak.
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    Re: Shadespreciation Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace of Dark-Hearts View Post
    Well, the splinpers are essentially Dirk. It's kind of incorrect to treat them as separate. They are basically Dirk with different motives.

    Also, Dirk is not lame. He's a pretty funny, badass dick-face who is actually really bad at irony. How come you don't like *Dirk*?
    Keeping in mind that Dirk is separate from his splinters, he hasn't done much that I found funny (I give all the porn credit to uu though), his irony does not phase me, and his relatively reserved personality mixed with his badassness actually makes me dislike him more. Also, he's sorta been using AR to do most of his dirty work for him. And saying funnier lines, but maybe I'm just a sucker for AI jokes I guess. And Dirk-fragment giving Jake boners.

    But I'm baised against Striders. :V

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freack View Post
    That does make more sense.... Dang you to heck.

    Bro was... not all that ironic by my measure. He was totally serious in a disturbing number of things. Like, ironic in the exact same way as Dirk, which pretty much boils down to being really serious, and honest, and cool. But also kind of a freak.
    being serious about some things does not make you less ironic about others, though.

    and you just described me. i am not dirk.

    you guys just fail to appreciate iron on the level that brodirk brings
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    Re: Shadespreciation Station

    Quote Originally Posted by colwag View Post
    Keeping in mind that Dirk is separate from his splinters, he hasn't done much that I found funny (I give all the porn credit to uu though), his irony does not phase me, and his relatively reserved personality mixed with his badassness actually makes me dislike him more. Also, he's sorta been using AR to do most of his dirty work for him. And saying funnier lines, but maybe I'm just a sucker for AI jokes I guess. And Dirk-fragment giving Jake boners.

    But I'm baised against Striders. :V
    His irony isn't irony. Basically, as a general rule, anything "ironic" Dirk does is actually him being totally sincere. That's why I think he's a funny character, because he pretty much means all the off-the-wall shit that he says.

    But yeah, I do agree on the AR thing. I'm hoping that he is going to have a bigger role eventually, because it's just not the same having AR do all the Sburb shit.

    Regardless, as long as you like an incarnation of Dirk we're on good terms. *Sinister glare*
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    Re: Shadespreciation Station

    Quote Originally Posted by RAK View Post
    being serious about some things does not make you less ironic about others, though.
    I also described myself. I guess there is a certain level of irony around everything he does, but like...

    I am kind of confused here. Like, the puppets thing? He really does like puppets.

    Irony is supposed to be meaning the opposite of what is said/shown. But everything he has shown has been totally serious. He has not even managed to be sarcastic seriously.

    I dunno, maybe I do misunderstand irony, but Dirk/Bro is not a very ironic person by my estimation.

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    Re: Shadespreciation Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace of Dark-Hearts View Post

    Regardless, as long as you like an incarnation of Dirk we're on good terms. *Sinister glare*
    My favorite thing about Dirk is his potential to kick Dave's ass and make him feel terrible.

    Which is what I really want him to do over all else.

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    Re: Shadespreciation Station

    Quote Originally Posted by colwag View Post
    My favorite thing about Dirk is his potential to kick Dave's ass and make him feel terrible.

    Which is what I really want him to do over all else.
    My favorite thing about Dirk is his potential to get his ass kicked by Dave and have Dave finally come out of his Bro's shadow.

    It appears we have reached an impasse.
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    Re: Shadespreciation Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace of Dark-Hearts View Post
    My favorite thing about Dirk is his potential to get his ass kicked by Dave and have Dave finally come out of his Bro's shadow.

    It appears we have reached an impasse.
    I'm not sure if I even actually hate Dave anymore or anything but

    Dave failing at things and suffering is one of the most entertaining things to ever happen in this comic.

    I mean how can you not find Jade shooting him up hilarious? And him squirming scared at Cal. And getting spiked into the roof by Bro. And springing right off the handle during a dramatic moment.

    He's just a big ball of failure based hilarity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freack View Post
    I also described myself. I guess there is a certain level of irony around everything he does, but like...

    I am kind of confused here. Like, the puppets thing? He really does like puppets.

    Irony is supposed to be meaning the opposite of what is said/shown. But everything he has shown has been totally serious. He has not even managed to be sarcastic seriously.

    I dunno, maybe I do misunderstand irony, but Dirk/Bro is not a very ironic person by my estimation.

    Edit: What Ace Said. Yeah.
    that's not the definition allanis morreset gave!

    the irony is like this, remember this conversation?

    dirk is serious that he is ironic that he is serious that he is ironic that he is serious, etc ad nausium.
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    Re: Shadespreciation Station

    is anyone excited for the MSPA Re-read.... that I am obviously not running or anything :P
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    Hey Guys and Girls and Others.(why isn't there an "other corn", I wonder.)
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    Re: Shadespreciation Station

    Quote Originally Posted by colwag View Post
    I'm not sure if I even actually hate Dave anymore or anything but

    Dave failing at things and suffering is one of the most entertaining things to ever happen in this comic.

    I mean how can you not find Jade shooting him up hilarious? And him squirming scared at Cal. And getting spiked into the roof by Bro. And springing right off the handle during a dramatic moment.

    He's just a big ball of failure based hilarity.
    Okay, him pissing his pants because of Cal really is hilarious, but the rest of those things I didn't really have a reaction to?

    My reaction to most of those things were more along the lines of "Oh Dave, you and your shenanigans."

    I find his arc really interesting and engaging, though. I want to see him succeed. To see Dave bombarded with failure after failure makes him no better a character than Gamzee. No character development. All of his gigantic arc with Bro and Terezi and his Doom Selves? All wasted. For no real purpose other than to clog the story. Dave needs to advance to remain a good character.

    Not that I don't enjoy him being a doofus all the time.
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    Very Nice pD. Bad Ass Old LAdy JAne is the best. At everything. Forever.

    And also, for for edutification, The GenderQueer Candy Corn Is pretty much "Other." Mostly. Yeah.

    RAK: Dirk is wrong, the dictionary is right. Very ironic, that.

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    is anyone excited for the MSPA Re-read.... that I am obviously not running or anything :P
    I AM VERY EXCITED!

    Also, Dave not failing is cool. Dave failing is... entertaining and sad. I have to much HOPE to be properly sad, but I am too neurotically attached to laugh at his pain.
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    I totally left this out, but I'm not gonna edit it in:
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    The difference between you and I is I don't give a shit about his character development arc, because I cannot get into it because I do not like the Dave on the surface that much. :V

    Also Gamzee is hilarious don't diss the guy.

    And I'm not saying that Dirk kicks Dave's ass once, and nothing ever happens to Dave again roll credits. I just like the potential setback. He can develop afterwards and all, but I want to see this one setback.

    And besides, Dave had a great arc ending at the Green Sun but he had to survive it somehow. Right now, he's got little reason to go back into his Bro's shadow. Something putting him back in there, for him to fight off for real this time, would be fun.

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    If that's supposed to be Jadema, then her dress should be green. Janema would be Nanna.

    Janna?
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    Re: Shadespreciation Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Thedude3445 View Post
    is anyone excited for the MSPA Re-read.... that I am obviously not running or anything :P
    I AM SO EXCITED FOR THE MSPA RE-READ

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    Re: Shadespreciation Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Freack View Post

    RAK: Dirk is wrong, the dictionary is right. Very ironic, that.
    not dirk, alanis morissette.

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    Re: Shadespreciation Station

    Quote Originally Posted by colwag View Post
    The difference between you and I is I don't give a shit about his character development arc, because I cannot get into it because I do not like the Dave on the surface that much. :V

    Also Gamzee is hilarious don't diss the guy.

    And I'm not saying that Dirk kicks Dave's ass once, and nothing ever happens to Dave again roll credits. I just like the potential setback. He can develop afterwards and all, but I want to see this one setback.

    And besides, Dave had a great arc ending at the Green Sun but he had to survive it somehow. Right now, he's got little reason to go back into his Bro's shadow. Something putting him back in there, for him to fight off for real this time, would be fun.
    Gamzee is literally the worst and most annoying character in all of Homestuck and it would be better without him.

    Dave's arc hardly feels resolved to me. He managed to pull himself together and care more about another person other than himself and, yes, but he still seems like the same old under-confident superficially "cool" guy that we all know and don't love. He is still hanging with Terezi who is still encouraging his facade.

    Dave punching Dirk in the face would really crystallize a change in him.
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