[Complaints Thread] or The Bitch About Homestuck Thread

[Akazani]

Okay, not sure if this counts because it's not directly about Homestuck. but I hate it when fans use the word 'gog'.

It's funny when Terezi uses it in the comic, but even trolls say 'god' most of the time. I'm not even religious and am super guilty of using other Homestuck memes.

[acerPandoren]

If people are talking about how canon hermaphrodism is in trolls, probably the biggest hint is that two males and two females can reproduce either as matesprits or kismesses. After all... when the drone comes round... you've got to provide...
Of course, that's not the same as saying that both sexes have the same sexual parts, just that their genetic material can be combined and that somehow they all have to be able to expell the genetic material from their bodies. Males and females might expell it in different ways. And no, I haven't really thought about this that much.

And uu's sexism... didn't bat an eyelid. I just took it to be part of his whole arsehole character. I certainly didn't think anything like "OMG if uu thinks like that, Hussie thinks like that! Hussie is sexist!" but some people obviously like reading too much into things sometimes.

[SkaianRedeemer]

If people are talking about how canon hermaphrodism is in trolls, probably the biggest hint is that two males and two females can reproduce either as matesprits or kismesses. After all... when the drone comes round... you've got to provide...
Of course, that's not the same as saying that both sexes have the same sexual parts, just that their genetic material can be combined and that somehow they all have to be able to expell the genetic material from their bodies. Males and females might expell it in different ways. And no, I haven't really thought about this that much.

But the gametes aren't combined when they donate, save that they're in the same bucket (heck, I'm not clear if the actual breeding bucket belongs to the Trolls or the Drones, the comic says both. For all we know, the stuff could be mixed with all your neighbours. Ew). The mother grub does the combining, not only is that clearly stated but it's the only way genetic hieritage could be "untraceable." In that regard, you could have two different sexes producing two differents sets of gametes, because you're not breeding with your partner (really, this has to be the case: why mix the slurry at all?), you're breeding with everybody! They all end up in the same gargantuan bucket in the end, and that's when the grubs are formed, by mixing the gametes of strangers with the chitinous arm of a giant wasp, like god intended. All the pairing does is increase the... potency? Male human biology actually works in a similar way, but this isn't the sex ed thread so I probably can't even talk about the biology of it.

[Tenebrais]

Okay, not sure if this counts because it's not directly about Homestuck. but I hate it when fans use the word 'gog'.

It's funny when Terezi uses it in the comic, but even trolls say 'god' most of the time. I'm not even religious and am super guilty of using other Homestuck memes.

It annoyed me so much back when I used to read fanfiction a lot. Somewhere the fandom got the idea that "gog" and "jegus" were troll things rather than SBaHJ things.

[SkaianRedeemer]

It annoyed me so much back when I used to read fanfiction a lot. Somewhere the fandom got the idea that "gog" and "jegus" were troll things rather than SBaHJ things.

I just made a joke about it myself in my most recent chapter of aHiHH. Unlike "fuckass", which I treat as Jade's not-so-cutesy nickname for Karkat, I don't have an excuse for the Troll-"gog"s. Was just going with the crowd in draft 1, keeping it up for a weird, squishy sort of consistency. I just wanted to be cool! *incoherant sobbing*

[nostalgebraist]

"Fuckass" has always been especially baffling to me, because not only is it not something Karkat says with any great frequency, it's something Karkat actually makes fun of John for saying. (Well, okay, technically he makes fun of John for saying "stutid fuckass," and it's the "stutid" part that irks him. But still, his response is pretty much the opposite of "man, that's a great insult, I'm going to make it my catchphrase!")

At least with "gog" and "jegus" it made a certain amount of sense to infer that they were troll things before it was specifically revealed that Terezi got them from Dave. With "fuckass" it's not even clear where the misconception could have started.

[ImperatorMortis]

"Fuckass" has always been especially baffling to me, because not only is it not something Karkat says with any great frequency, it's something Karkat actually makes fun of John for saying. (Well, okay, technically he makes fun of John for saying "stutid fuckass," and it's the "stutid" part that irks him. But still, his response is pretty much the opposite of "man, that's a great insult, I'm going to make it my catchphrase!")

At least with "gog" and "jegus" it made a certain amount of sense to infer that they were troll things before it was specifically revealed that Terezi got them from Dave. With "fuckass" it's not even clear where the misconception could have started.

I don't even mind the Fuckass thing, but I admit its weird that it became Karkats "thing". I mean he only says it once(maybe twice). How did it become his catch phrase?

[Kaleb702]

I don't even mind the Fuckass thing, but I admit its weird that it became Karkats "thing". I mean he only says it once(maybe twice). How did it become his catch phrase?

Jade says it to Kanaya, Kanaya asks if she's been talking to Karkat a lot. Implied overuse.

[nostalgebraist]

Jade says it to Kanaya, Kanaya asks if she's been talking to Karkat a lot. Implied overuse.

I thought that was just because Jade isn't usually into profane, unprompted insults, and Karkat is. Rather than being about that specific word.

Edit: But it's true, that is a reason why people might conclude that Karkat uses the word a lot.

[Branetheory]

Looking back at uu's first conversation is really strange. He uses Karkat-esque metaphors, seems reasonably elegant and can speak of "human fucking" without disgusting himself. His general traits (murderous, hateful, etc) are the same, but his voice seems to me barely similar to how it is now, which is repetitive and unimaginative in a crude way as well as extremely awkward with his phrasing and pauses. Granted this sort of stuff has happened to characters like John as well, but that was more gradual. This just seems jarring to me.

[Sporkaganza]

I always kinda thought Jade randomly latched onto "fuckass" because she thought it was hilarious when Karkat said it to her one time maybe, and then she started using it all the time to needle Karkat and make fun of his foulmouthed tendencies. I'm not sure though. It is pretty weird.

[Druplesnubb]

uu seems the same to me. He's just as generically and blandly malevolent as he's now. Like Karkat with all the charm and originality surgically removed. I think his second conversation with Dirk is more abnormal since he managed to actually be funny in that one.

[whitehelm]

Time for another small nitpicky complaint. In http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003427 Jade has just finished chatting with John when the package appears. In [S]Terry: Fast forward to Liv however, Jade is just sitting around with no visible computer.

[Branetheory]

uu seems the same to me. He's just as generically and blandly malevolent as he's now. Like Karkat with all the charm and originality surgically removed. I think his second conversation with Dirk is more abnormal since he managed to actually be funny in that one.

I meant to specify this page, specifically the quote "uu: WE ARE TALKING ABOuT MIGRAINE INDuCING DIARRHETIC VERTICAL SuICIDE DROPS OF uGLY FuCKING WORDS.
uu: IMPENETRABLY ASININE RAINBOW FREEFALLS OF FRIVOLOuS BANTER. GOT IT? ".

These phrases just do not seem like something that uu would have the creativity and wit to say having seen him speak more, where his speech seems repetitive and full of stereotypy. It seems to me like uu was written in this first conversation as a douchier and more murderous Karkat and wasn't really given his own voice until his second conversation with Dirk.

[apostateCambion]

There's been only one major complaint I've had about Homestuck, which is that it sets the bar so high I can't enjoy other things that aren't as well planned and executed. Everything else just seems so simple in comparison.

[Sporkaganza]

I'm a little temporally confused about the Intermission and then the Scratch section of Act 2 Act 5. Which takes place before which? I thought for a while that the Scratch part actually was prior in the timeline to the Intermission, but I've looked deeper into the issue and have only gotten more confused. What's going on here?

[Solaris]

Scratch is after.
We don't know why Jack has the robot arm and shit.
Matchsticks and Quarters were dead but weird time shit meant that they got to appear, by traveling forward in time.

[Sporkaganza]

Scratch is after.
We don't know why Jack has the robot arm and shit.
Matchsticks and Quarters were dead but weird time shit meant that they got to appear, by traveling forward in time.

Okay, that's what I thought, but I wasn't sure. Jack Noir must have somehow gone back in time or something. Or found his way back to the alpha timeline instead of the timeline where everybody was dead except for him and Snowman. IDK. Maybe we'll find out someday.

Actual complaint: Hussie basically included this page just to make a joke, but a recap would actually have been really helpful at that point. I kind of hope that sooner or later he goes back to that page and writes it all up for real. And I hope he'll include another recap at the end of Act 6.

[Branetheory]

Wasn't the "everyone dead" timeline the alpha? Wouldn't it have to be for him to communicate with Karkat through the exile terminal? I also don't see why Slick would need to time travel. From Slick's perspective: Intermission crap --> Everyone dead --> Robot arm/Scratch's apartment --> kill Snowman --> mysterious escape to Hussie's mansion.

The only hole I can see in this is that Quarters/Clover/Matchsticks were still alive at the time of Slick being in Scratch's apartment. I guess that could be explained away with Felt time travel crap.

[The_Codfish]

We didn't even know if the rest of the Felt were dead. Slick just decided they were. So even if he crossed them out as dead on his list, some of them may still have been alive.

Of course, with the universe blown up.....and unless Andrew was planning on running a shelter...they're probably all dead now. Probably.

[Achille'sHamstring]

Of course, with the universe blown up.....and unless Andrew was planning on running a shelter...they're probably all dead now. Probably.

This page pretty much confirms that any errant time travelers or time-clones out of the Felt are dead, with the exception of Clover, who is as elusive as ever.

[The_Codfish]

Clover, that luck sonovabitch.

[Krubby]

I hate how horribly misused the word cull is and how now just about every Homestuck fan now has an incorrect definition in their head. For God's sake, it's not even possible to cull Tavros!

[FowlJ]

I hate how horribly misused the word cull is and how now just about every Homestuck fan now has an incorrect definition in their head. For God's sake, it's not even possible to cull Tavros!

Culling is the removing of an animal from the breeding population, for one reason or another, typically involving killing them.

Tavros could be removed from the breeding population by killing him. Therefore, Tavros can be culled.

Humans use the term in reference to livestock, but trolls are not humans.

That aside, it's using 'culling' as a synonym to 'killing' that really gets me about how the fandom uses the word. Just say killing it's the same amount of letters.

[The_Codfish]

It's the connotations. Killing is killing, but culling, in the Trolls' culture, is killing with a 'purpose'. Basically, all killing has a purpose for them. So Tavros can be culled. He can be culled by other trolls. Or he can be culled by natural disasters or monsters. Or he could just get culled because of disease or an accident. Whatever. So when people say cull, it has a different 'intent'.

That or they're just the kind of fans who parrot whatever is said.