Devil May Cry - Where we use your blood for money

[Stormspirit]

So, with the release date of DmC: Devil may Cry inching closer and closer, I thought it would be a good moment to create a thread for this series. For the hell of it. Alright, that was lame. Anyway, it might be useful to discover if there's more fans of DMC around here, and possibly introduce new ones to it? So, I'll try to explain a little about the game without spoilers.

Devil May Cry is a hack-and-slash series created by Capcom Studio 1, leaded by Hideki Kamiya, the creator of games such as Okami, Viewtiful Joe and Resident Evil 2. DMC was originally created as a sequel to RE2, but quickly spawned into a totally new game. Starring the protagonist Dante and his brother Vergil, DMC focus on exploration and stylish fights, swords and guns not missing the call. The game is quite hard, ranging from the relaxing 'Easy Mode' to the teeth-grinding 'Dante Must Die Mode', but can provide hours of fun to those who like a good challenging game.

[Cervos]

I'm pretty sure DMC spawned because of a weird aerial mechanic when shooting enemies in a RE 'beta', where they would just hang in midair while you shot them, which is now a DMC staple.


But, anyways, DmC has a release date? I thought it was still TBA.

Anyways, I've gotten over the complaints for DmC. Sure, he's not snarky white haired dante. Big deal. I'm like % (MATHS) sure that by the end of the game, Dante will have white hair.

I'm not sure how I feel about the half angel origin, though, to go with his half demon. That's like an Original Character (do not steal) gone wrong. BUT, since they confirmed that there will be more weapons than just Rebellion, I will be all for seeing Angel and Devil versions of all of his weapons.

[Stormspirit]

I'm pretty sure DMC spawned because of a weird aerial mechanic when shooting enemies in a RE 'beta', where they would just hang in midair while you shot them, which is now a DMC staple.


But, anyways, DmC has a release date? I thought it was still TBA.

Anyways, I've gotten over the complaints for DmC. Sure, he's not snarky white haired dante. Big deal. I'm like % (MATHS) sure that by the end of the game, Dante will have white hair.

I'm not sure how I feel about the half angel origin, though, to go with his half demon. That's like an Original Character (do not steal) gone wrong. BUT, since they confirmed that there will be more weapons than just Rebellion, I will be all for seeing Angel and Devil versions of all of his weapons.

Nah, it spawned from a glitch in Onimusha Warriors. But it's identical to what you described.

And yes, DmC has been confirmed for 10 August this year.

Wow, the complaints. There are a lot of those. But since it's a spin-off, I don't really see what is wrong with giving Dante a different look. And we haven't really seen him talk or act a lot, so I think I kind of file those complaints under 'Don't Care'. From the latest trailer, he actually act pretty much like a mix between Dante and Nero, with a sadistic tendency to boot. Especially after the drastic changes between the first and second one. I'm surprised people are more upset about THIS one than they are about DMC2 Dante. I was a little surprised about the half-angel half-demon gimmick, though. It's innovative, at least, but maybe a little bit hard to execute correctly in full action. I'm still completely psyched about it and I, for one, is quite happy they made changes to the series.

[Mr.Tie]

I'm still waiting before judging the next DmC game... but my first reaction still was "... not a good feeling about this...."

DMC 3 probably won't be dethroned for me... after all it was the first one I played... to the point I've beaten the game at Dante must die difficulty... that feeling when blocking Vergil's "teleport everywhere and globes of death" with Royalguard and unleashing it back to him... priceless. The feeling of seeing my friend using our new unlimited devil trigger mode with quicksilver and nirvana (that's the guitar right? I can't help but feel it's not right maybe something like Nevan?) summed up as "well.. that was easy".

oh and Agnis and Rudra are awesome.

[Cervos]

My only really worry is that Ninja Theory is the developer which isn't that big of a name? They made Heavenly Sword which is the only game they're really known for.

I would have told Capcom to go with Platinum Games since Bayonetta is pretty much Devil May Moan, but Capcom has kind of a thing against people who don't work with them anymore.

[Stormspirit]

I'm still waiting before judging the next DmC game... but my first reaction still was "... not a good feeling about this...."

DMC 3 probably won't be dethroned for me... after all it was the first one I played... to the point I've beaten the game at Dante must die difficulty... that feeling when blocking Vergil's "teleport everywhere and globes of death" with Royalguard and unleashing it back to him... priceless. The feeling of seeing my friend using our new unlimited devil trigger mode with quicksilver and nirvana (that's the guitar right? I can't help but feel it's not right maybe something like Nevan?) summed up as "well.. that was easy".

oh and Agnis and Rudra are awesome.

Then again, DMC3 is pretty high on the ladder. Even though I prefer DMC4 for its fun value, DMC3 certainly was a big step for the series. And also because it formally introduced Vergil into the story. And nothing can beat the awesomeness that is Vergil. I never tried fighting him with Royalguard, because I'm a little sissy that screams like a headless chicken everytime I hear the music start up. I simply abuse Trickster Dash and Air Dash and try to find an opening. I still haven't finished Very Hard mode, though, so I can't really say anything about Dante Must Die. Been going through DMC4 a second time because my save was erased.

And I wholeheartedly agree that Agni and Rudra is one of the most useful weapon. Picking off with a guitar riff (and yes, it's called Nevan) and then instantly lauching into Ultimate Tempest on the Leviathan's Core is enough to convince anyone that A&R is simply the best Devil Arms ever.

My only really worry is that Ninja Theory is the developer which isn't that big of a name? They made Heavenly Sword which is the only game they're really known for.

I would have told Capcom to go with Platinum Games since Bayonetta is pretty much Devil May Moan, but Capcom has kind of a thing against people who don't work with them anymore.

Well, it might be an opportunity for them to pick off. From what I've seen, DmC is kind of a mutual project between Capcom and NT. They didn't simply left it into unknown hands like that.

And besides, Kamiya has stated that he doesn't mind what happen with Dante anymore. He actually sold his rights over to Capcom and completely cut contact with them. It's not really that they have something against him, simply that he doesn't want to work on DMC anymore.

[DudewitdaK]

To me, the problems with DmC don't lie with Dante's origin, hair, or attitude. They lie with Ninja Theory, and the generally simplified combat (as in LOL LET'S JUST STAY IN THE AIR FOREVER JUMP CANCELLING WHAT'S THAT), and the Unreal Engine 3 30fps. There's no way the combat will be anywhere near as deep as the classics of the series. The worst part is how Devil Trigger was changed from "a mode that made you more powerful for a short amount of time and allowed for amazing combos if you knew what you were doing" to "float all of the enemies into the air so you can kill them with no effort". It's all so disappointing.

[Mr.Tie]

hmm, haven't used trickster much myself, went primarily with swordmaster, and after countless failures against Vergil, I started learning how to use Royal guard a bit, in the off-chance I could use it.

and a funny thing I always remember is when you beat Dante must Die, there's Heaven or hell mode, which rules are pretty simple, one hit they die, one it you die. In that mode, Cerberus would be considered the hardest boss just because you have to break his ice shield (which ignore the 1 hit rule) and Vergil's battle end with a time record of 00:00:00 (long range gun shot a the very start).

[Cervos]

As for DmC's Devil trigger, I think that's a fair thing to do since The whole Devil Awakening thing doesn't happen until later.

Then again this is like some other thing.



Anyways, the one thing that DMC4 did that DMC3 needed was, on the fly style switching. I mean, Royal Guard was good and all, but I wasn't good enough at using it to warrant exclusively using it.


EDIT: Try playing Hell Vs Hell. Only you die in one hit.

[Stormspirit]

hmm, haven't used trickster much myself, went primarily with swordmaster, and after countless failures against Vergil, I started learning how to use Royal guard a bit, in the off-chance I could use it.

and a funny thing I always remember is when you beat Dante must Die, there's Heaven or hell mode, which rules are pretty simple, one hit they die, one it you die. In that mode, Cerberus would be considered the hardest boss just because you have to break his ice shield (which ignore the 1 hit rule) and Vergil's battle end with a time record of 00:00:00 (long range gun shot a the very start).

Ah yeah, Heaven or Hell. I think it's kind of stupid. I mean, you can't really grind for stylish points, so you get a pretty bad note at the end, unless you're able to raise your rank through careful dodging. Worst being that DMC4 dumbs it down by having absolutely nothing that can resist a shotgun fire to the face.

EDIT: Try playing Hell Vs Hell. Only you die in one hit.

Hell and Hell. Oh god, the nightmares. Just thinking that I will have to go again through it fighting the goddamn Blitz makes me shudder in fear.

[Mr.Tie]

Hell vs. Hell... is that a real thing? not in DMC3 I assume.

[Stormspirit]

Hell vs. Hell... is that a real thing? not in DMC3 I assume.

Nope, it's in DMC4. You're the only one who dies in one hit and it's cranked up on Dante Must Die difficulty. It's...well, hell.

[Cervos]

Sorry, I did mean Hell and Hell. Heaven Vs Hell is just kind of a habit over Heaven and Hell


But, yeah. Combine a one sided Heaven And Hell where you die in one hit, and the enemies are at Dante must Die difficulty.

[DudewitdaK]

Ugh, ugh, bluh, ugh. Check out Baby's First SS Rank in this video of Baby's First Action Game. Looks easy as shit to get high ranks, even easier than some of Nero's stuff in DMC4.

[Mr.Tie]

those enemies oddly looks like they have the palette of Trish's disguise in the 4th game.

also, can't be quite like what happened to Ninja Gaiden 3 I guess.. well, hope anyway.

edit:
and the NEW trailer


still cocky character, though for some reason the world has nothing better to do than hunt him.. because he's a sexual deviant (I know it's probably just news to give reasons but.. whatever)? the future will tell I guess.

[Stormspirit]

Hrm. Still, I like the style of the fights. Maybe it's different and easier than DMC4, but I still feel like it will be a good game on its own. I'm not sure if I'm the only one who see other things than the fast-paced battles from the previous games. Having another story than 'Sparda did something, everybody hate/worship him' is also a good point. Personally, I still get the same Devil May Cry feeling, the battles doesn't seems to be affected that much by the FPS restriction. And it's still a work-in-progress, so I'm not giving it a close look until it's done and on the market.

[DudewitdaK]

I just wish that the arenas were smaller, that Dante's attacks were a little less "hit everything", that you didn't float as much, that ranks were harder to get, and that there was manual lock-on.
...that's a lot to "just wish"

[Stormspirit]

I just wish that the arenas were smaller, that Dante's attacks were a little less "hit everything", that you didn't float as much, that ranks were harder to get, and that there was manual lock-on.
...that's a lot to "just wish"

The fight areas have always been very open, though. Even in DMC1, the castle's rooms were still wide for a hack-and-slash. Hell, something as Phantom shouldn't has been stuck in a small room like that. But I agree that the manual lock-on should be something to add. I think we can say that it didn't help DMC2's case not to have one.

Also; new trailer is interesting, Dante still sound and act like the one we knew, and apparently the whole world treat him like a sexual deviant? Huh.

[Mr.Tie]

This just in, Dante have a hard on for furniture, why do you think the floor and the walls want's him dead so much?

[Stormspirit]

This just in, Dante have a hard on for furniture, why do you think the floor and the walls want's him dead so much?

He rape cameras while we're not watching. Obviously.

[Mr.Tie]

Electric eye and hell bent for leather......

Now good luck making me take this game slightly seriously (not that it really was to begin with, but, it's just forever sillier now)

[Mr.Tie]

Since the game finally came out (and making me question past me looking at those posts)

Anyone ended up trying it? Looking at a play through of the game, the action does look alright, Dante/Donte/Dino himself, I'm actually fine with the design, could be worst (see the earlier designs). As for his personality, haven't seen everything yet but looks ok, not fun as true Dante, but still some taunting and one-liners. One thing I did learn that the "fan" in me is having problems with, is regarding Vergil near what I suspect is the end of the game.

Look like a decent game, but as a full reboot and never getting anything from true Dante? still have my reservations

also some cutscenes are... rather not necessary, sexual innuendos can be fun, when it's not really an innuendo anymore.. not always pleasant

[PumpkinMan]

Yeah, the game itself doesn't look too bad. It just gives the feeling that they didn't intend it to be a Devil May Cry game at first and tried to shift it in later. Some of the lines I've seen, though... could be better, to say the least. But yeah, definitely not terrible.

[Mr.Tie]

And capcom being capcom, there's a Costume DLC pack on it's way, containing Classic Dante, Dark Dante (black coat with white hair, at least I think it's that one), and the worst thing I've seen in a while called Neo-Dante

[BlueInfinity]

Yeah, the game itself doesn't look too bad. It just gives the feeling that they didn't intend it to be a Devil May Cry game at first and tried to shift it in later. Some of the lines I've seen, though... could be better, to say the least. But yeah, definitely not terrible.

It's a reboot, so it's not supposed to be looked at from the old Devil May Cry games.

Like, it's like they gave two students a basis. Dante, Vergil, Sons of Sparda, and combos. Lots of weapons.

One student made Devil May Cry, the other made DmC. Separate entities entirely.

That being said, I enjoyed DmC so far. It's really hard for me, and getting the combos to flow well is also a bit of a challenge, I only realized recently I mistakenly changed it to the hardest difficulty and that could be a reason for the troubles. XD Like having enemies that you can only damage with a certain weapon is really annoying. They should have made it to where all weapons could hurt them, just far less than another- because recoiling off the enemy for using a different weapon when you have another enemy who requires a different weapon, just gets annoying and you end up severely punished for it.