Choose Your Flavor Mafia: GAME USURPED. (town win, PRIME INTELLECT win)

[50,000 Unstoppable Watts!]

Wow more than one person made this mistake ok let me clarify.

I DID NOT SAY ~ATH AND MV WERE BUDDYING, I SAID THEY WERE BUDS. As in if one flips maf then I think the other one is too.

Don't have time to prepare a case right now. Busy, and sleep soon.

[Crilly]

I can get a nonpanic post in yay

FTR my crystallings in the night were slayer, MV, and crilly

If I had to pick top three scumteam, I'd go with MV/Slayer/Crilly, definitely.

Just getting in after work

I am notorious shit at predicting killtargets so I chose the three people who I thought most likely town and who /weren't/ unlikely kills (mirdini/para) and also weren't uncrystallable

Which left very few people

Not really, he's mostly a feeling. A strong feeling but a feeling nonetheless

So, Acio, did you really target us because ~ATH called us scum or is it just a 'coincidence?'

[x1372]

Whoa people talked while I was off for an afternoon!

Now this is gonna seem a little weird, but I'm kinda ok with letting inox go temporarily, assuming he puts up a reasonable defense. I certainly want to make sure that he believes he's done a good job on that front before letting him slink away and changing the focus of what's going on.

Inox, please explain your actions up to this point, since lets face it, you've been IFFY at best. And as someone who literally just used to crystals to back to back animalize and unanimalize someone, this is beyond hypocritical: "There are differences between wasting crystals by smashing them all at once and actually using them for useful things." Claiming role reasons later is ... wat? It seriously LOOKS right now like you were smashing your crystals as quickly as possible so that our elect target wouldn't get them if this lynch on you went through - I hope you have another explanation.

Also, as much as it pains me to say this, I'm pretty sure that y_not's explanation WRT the tea crystal shenanigans of D1 was probably the best answer he could have given. I can't imagine any way he could have JUSTIFIED the action without making himself look worse, so the fact that he admitted that it was stupid and scummy does begrudgingly earn him a couple points in my book.

I do have to admit that it felt damn awkward to have that big pile of votes follow mine. Granted, looking up inox' posts there's a legitimate reason, but I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of the people who followed my lead was scum, and if inox IS scum, seastorm looks BAD.

Speaking of seastorm... "Except I have reason to believe that he's town now, so everything goes out the window." Given that your first action of the day was to blindly follow me lynching him AND elect me whihch I assume was a way of implying agreement, back when you wouldn't deign to humanize yourself to speak... wat?

Skunk and visc... yeah. keep doing your things man. I swear you two are having a contest to see who can dig a bigger hole for himself.

Skunk wants specific reasons for the inox vote. Have you READ his D1 posts? Fine. Here's a quick few bullet points which covers some of it.
-Walling MV and then suddenly ok with him with virtually nothing happening in the interim.
-Wanting the two claimed docs dead. Well, they both are now and they were both town.
-having some incredible leaps of logic in the D1 stream of consciousness thing. One of the bigger ones was taking "maybe one of these 5 of which I'm included is the multidimensional" as "LOL LETS MISLYNCH ONE OF THESE GUYS."
-worth noting, ath considered him one of his strong townreads at this point, up with para tea me red and himself.
-His D2 actions haven't helped any, and claiming role reasons for part of it doesn't exactly make it sound better.

And really, did you even read the posts that I linked? The first was three lines. One of those lines was him specifically stating that he wanted to smash all of his crystals, but wanted to wait to see me do it. The following post, soon after I'd smashed mine, he listed me as his TOP SCUMREAD for DOING SOMETHING HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO. Seriously, WTF Red?

Skunk, please explain WHY your top 3 scum are your top 3. And just a heads up, if you can't come up with anything better for me than crystal smashing, you're earning yourself another vote immediately.

Not changing my vote YET but I'm eagerly awaiting some very specific nakking from inox and skunk.

Oh yeah, quick questions for the animal THING since I can't find out firsthand.
1) Did you have night chat?
2) Is there a new chat room every time someone joins/leaves animalification, or do you have a log from part of it before you were there?
3) Do players that turn into animals have SPECIFIC animals they turn into? If so, are they anything in particular based on your own role? Flips imply yes but want confirmation.
4) Do players who can transform but haven't yet know what animal/details they turn into?

Holy shit this is longer than I meant it to be.

[Red709]

um X
I think you mean seriously "WTF Inoxfy"

personally think you're only on the suspicious level for pointlessly smashing a bunch of crystals atm


but yeah I'm
not cool with Inoxfy's posts right now
and that magic bag doesn't help
otoh the jumps onto that wagon still feel really off
like way out in the galactic sea of doooooom off

aS... doesn't exactly make me feel better about him either, those reads he's pulling out on visceral are way out there
but same goes for visceral himself, too much of his overall logic seems flawed a lot of the time and a good number of his votes tend to be

hnnnnnnnng. Inox - stop that magic bagging. if you're gonna throw your role at us, just claim dammit because I really don't want to have to lynch you over "LOL MY ROLE MEANS I NEED TO X" because N O
Visceral - don't care if you're bad do that wagon analysis shit since you're on the wagon and asking for it. It'll be informative for everyone, not just you
aS - Lunchin' aS feels off and doesn't seem to be playing the same as in Redfia where I KNOW he was town because I was the mod

[armoredSkunk]

Alright well I've already given some pretty solid (imo) reasons for MV and y_not, and I think you withholding your vote on me until I respond is just a way to hide an OMGUS.
But I digress.
One of the major problems I have with you is, hold on to your pants, the crystal smashing. Not even just the post you did it in, but this which comes a lot sooner than any of the info regarding the crystals that you use to defend yourself. Your first action in the game is to ask to smash all the crystals. I occurs to me that your role may want to break the crystals (an obviously anti-town stance). So, I suspect you of either being mafia, or at least 3p.

Not to mention how you talked D1 mostly about a)the crystals and b)mister visceral is scum. In fact, you were voting for him practically all day. Why did you drop the topic come D2?
However I really do appreciate finally someone giving me some insight into the Inox thing. Looking back my views may be skewed a bit in regards that we both seem to think you look scummy. Time for a review (this will be the third time for me)

ADDRESSING x1372's INOXFY SCUMHINTS:
1)ok what this is literally exactly what you did. I just pointed it out up top. >:I
2)looks pretty bad, but I should point out for clarity's sake they claimed "protective" not doctor
3)speaking of multidimensional beings, what was this? I don't get what you were saying.
4)worth noting, you're in there too; so is tea
5)role reasons that seastorm claims to confirm

So I still don't really agree, and those were sort of crummy reasonings. He's not necessarily town but in no way is he a major target right now imo.

Addendum (other Qs)
3)The first part of this you don't need to ask; we saw Tea's(?) specific animal when he died.
4)I am one of these people; I don't know what I'll turn into and I don't really want to use a crystal for curiosity's sake. Probably a skunk though, tbh.

[armoredSkunk]

and Red a metaread on playstyle isn't going to be formed from watching two games. :/

[Red709]

not just a metaread really though
I'm not liking most of what you've been saying thus far either

[Red709]

also multidimensional being is supposedly the leader of the mafia by flavor

[armoredSkunk]

well that's fine, but are you really saying out of the people you mentioned in your post that I'm the one you think looks scummiest?

qe: got it ty

[Red709]

also before I forget my hat is apparently a passive power, whatever the bloody hell that means

[Red709]

well that's fine, but are you really saying out of the people you mentioned in your post that I'm the one you think looks scummiest?

of the three? Inoxfy's wagon feels off, so that makes me think he's more likely town
I don't think you or MV are aligned, so I don't care which of you we lynch, if one of you flips town I'd say the other flips scum and vice versa

I'm just kind of starting to get the same scum vibes Acio is claiming to get from you myself so that's the main reason I want you dead first
it's just a VIIIIIBES bit why I want you dead more than MV, that's all

also because everyone is getting angry that Inox used a bunch of crystals when he actually DID THINGS WITH THEM unlike X who just smashed all of them on himself, someone who is unaffected, essentially wasting 5 animalizations/deanimalizations

[Red709]

er that's why I think inox is more town that is (at the end there)

[50,000 Unstoppable Watts!]

All right, here's the case I promised.

Ok let's see here... First, the buds evidence.

105: The absolute most detail ~ATH ever goes into on a suspect, besides the wall (which I'll address next), is on MV. Note again at 127, where he throws a vote on. It's easy to talk to your buddies, even when you're menacing them.

374 & 261: I'm pretty sure they're the only two to use color-coded walls, at least in the beginning. Am I really the only one who looks at this and sees more than a coincidence?

Not too much on its own, but let's combine it with hard, player-specific scuMV evidence:

Follow. The. Leader. Note 114 where he jumps right off of Red and onto Tea after a few people vote him. Literally "Here's my reasons for voting Red oh well he kinda sorta defended himself OH SHIT PILE ON THE TEACUP." And there are plenty of other instances where he's just unwilling to do things that would be of benefit; the "somebody analyze this wagon for me" comment was already pointed out. You know it needs analysis, are you really too lazy to do it yourself?

So much freaking retaliation. He snaps back to everything said about him in a decidedly LOOK AT ME I'M PAYING ATTENTION way, when he could be actually hunting. And his responses usually aren't that good, anyway. I can't even quote all of the times it's done because... Ok, let's put this in perspective. MV is the second highest poster in the thread at 67 posts, as of the time of writing, and a solid half of it is retaliation.

Oh, and the other half are all fluffy mcfluff posts.

256 and 257: Serious flip-flopping. 271: Tries to explain why what he was doing with Tea wasn't flip-flopping. 286: Flip-flops again. Dude can't seem to commit to a read. I can accept making mistakes or missing something, but this is too much. You've got to be paying SOME attention to the game.

Readwalls. You know what, enough pussyfooting around: Readwalls are scummy. Straight-up. You don't do 'em unless you want to throw out a lot of nonsense opinions with poor backing to make it look like you're conscious of the game. They never help.

I seriously want to know what he flips because it will give me some pertinent data, including influencing my stance on Inox. I don't know what in the hell is up with him right now, but Tea and MV are the flips most pertinent to him, since iirc he tried to divert the wagon from one with suspicions of the other. That is a hella weird play if MV and Inox are both scum.

[armoredSkunk]

I'm just kind of starting to get the same scum vibes Acio is claiming to get from you myself so that's the main reason I want you dead first
it's just a VIIIIIBES bit why I want you dead more than MV, that's all

also because everyone is getting angry that Inox used a bunch of crystals when he actually DID THINGS WITH THEM unlike X who just smashed all of them on himself, someone who is unaffected, essentially wasting 5 animalizations/deanimalizations

sigh I was waiting for someone to say this

you realize these "vibes" are from my RVS right? Seriously this is going to turn into "lynch him because shaman-acio is getting the willies"

heck the third thing you said should mean you think I look better

[Red709]

sigh I was waiting for someone to say this

you realize these "vibes" are from my RVS right? Seriously this is going to turn into "lynch him because shaman-acio is getting the willies"

heck the third thing you said should mean you think I look better

the thing about inoxfy? that's why I think Inox looks like town more than you two

I'm not averse to lynching MV either, I just have this kind of weird feeling you might be scum? if MV flips scum then you're pretty much clear unless you make me unclear you so uh yea

[Mister Visceral]

To everyone saying that I'm retaliating too much: Stop making bullshit attacks on me and I'll have time to scumhunt. Seriously, there's a reason that I've been retaliating so much, it's because people have been attacking me so much.

Watts, I see one thing on that list that's actual "MV/ATH buddy interactions". And it doesn't even make sense. The other thing is just... what? We both did rainbow reads? Is that even a buddy read thing right now?

I actually started to do the wagon analysis thing, and then gave up halfway through because it was so incredibly shitty. But I'll go ahead through with it if you guys still want me to. That'll be a second.

[Mister Visceral]

Alright here's our wagon:

Garuru: 7 (soundlyParanoid, Red, absoluteCertainty, Acionyx, Mirdini, mr_y_not, ArmoredSkunk, Seastormjt, Garuru)

For all intents and purposes, let's assume that Acionyx and Mirdini's 3p claims are legit, and the two are therefore green for "not-knowingly aligned"

Garuru: 9 (soundlyParanoid, Red, absoluteCertainty, Acionyx, Mirdini, mr_y_not, ArmoredSkunk, Seastormjt, Garuru)

Para is at the head of the wagon, which is good stuff, and I trust Tea's trust in Para, as well as Para's pretty protown play. We'll give him a light green.

Red's also pretty far up in the wagon, and his vote post does not reek of diesely bus fuel, so I'm comfortable painting him green too.

Garuru: 9 (soundlyParanoid, Red, absoluteCertainty, Acionyx, Mirdini, mr_y_not, ArmoredSkunk, Seastormjt, Garuru)

Which, by placement, puts Beru, y_not and seastorm in pretty bad position next to their town friends, or in seastorm's case, his end-of-the-wagon last-minute bussing position. Their posts?

as long as we're playing the not keeping shit in pants game
i wish i had my role in nightside because it would actually be useful there :/

ath what the hell
giving a townread on watts but a scumread on me listing p much the exact same reasons
i have not been nakruru for at least six months!!!!!! that is a long time for this stupid 88 posts per hour meta to linger. god damnit.
and
you want to vig acio why?
he is going to be townsided, because he is acio.

This one... Actually looks pretty good! Actually one of the more legit ~ votes I've seen on the wagon. Green for yooou!

Okay

~ATH it is then.

<THINKIN ALOUD!>
For what looks like a nice interest in lynching a lurker (Slayer0) for just that.
Notably he had quite a bit of interest in MV...
He is also rather quiet... seems to miss the point on some of his reads

I suppose I'm okay with this.
Lynch ~ATH

I think at this pont any scum member would be going down that "oh no my partner's going to get lynched" road. This post is kind of looking like that road. He kind of just lists reasons and then busses, which... looks bad. Painting him orange.

...yeah alright a tildeath lynch works for me too

vote ~ATH

No effort.

Orange.

Lynch: ~ATH, I mean, it's not like he's very towny. Kind of want to look at Kieros if he flips scum.

Still would love to take a look at Crilly, Tea, and InoxFy if he's not going to answer my question (for tomorrow, of course).

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MV: Haha, good luck with that; hope you're having fun.

I like this one! Mentions the next day's plans, talks about Kieros, someone who hasn't been pointed out, but does deflect attention onto them. Love love love this. Gets a green.

Garuru: 9 (soundlyParanoid, Red, absoluteCertainty, Acionyx, Mirdini, mr_y_not, ArmoredSkunk, Seastormjt, Garuru)

Did I do it right guys?

[mr_y_not]

MV

If you think my stuff is scummy
why is seastorm getting green?

Like, seastorm doesn't even talk about ~ATH in his lynch. He just votes him.

How is this a townread at all?!

[Mister Visceral]

Your two posts are completely different. Your evidence on ~ looks forced and... bleh. I didn't like it. Seastorm, on the other hand, votes ~ in a way that I found not to be bussy, and then is able to talk about other people without it seeming like a deflection or a distraction or anything

Speaking of which, Seastorm, what do you think of Kieros now that ~ has flipped? I don't think I saw what you saw.

[mr_y_not]

Whether or not it may be forced, he didnt do any at all.
I could certainly say i was prospecting about the future, but oh my, too bad it wasnt in my voting post.

[x1372]

Alright well I've already given some pretty solid (imo) reasons for MV and y_not, and I think you withholding your vote on me until I respond is just a way to hide an OMGUS.
But I digress.
One of the major problems I have with you is, hold on to your pants, the crystal smashing. Not even just the post you did it in, but this which comes a lot sooner than any of the info regarding the crystals that you use to defend yourself. Your first action in the game is to ask to smash all the crystals. I occurs to me that your role may want to break the crystals (an obviously anti-town stance). So, I suspect you of either being mafia, or at least 3p.

Not to mention how you talked D1 mostly about a)the crystals and b)mister visceral is scum. In fact, you were voting for him practically all day. Why did you drop the topic come D2?
However I really do appreciate finally someone giving me some insight into the Inox thing. Looking back my views may be skewed a bit in regards that we both seem to think you look scummy. Time for a review (this will be the third time for me)

ADDRESSING x1372's INOXFY SCUMHINTS:
1)ok what this is literally exactly what you did. I just pointed it out up top. >:I
2)looks pretty bad, but I should point out for clarity's sake they claimed "protective" not doctor
3)speaking of multidimensional beings, what was this? I don't get what you were saying.
4)worth noting, you're in there too; so is tea
5)role reasons that seastorm claims to confirm

So I still don't really agree, and those were sort of crummy reasonings. He's not necessarily town but in no way is he a major target right now imo.

Addendum (other Qs)
3)The first part of this you don't need to ask; we saw Tea's(?) specific animal when he died.
4)I am one of these people; I don't know what I'll turn into and I don't really want to use a crystal for curiosity's sake. Probably a skunk though, tbh.

Allright, fine. That's it. I'm fucking sick and tired of the crystal smashing being a big deal that you and certain others won't shut up about. Let me lay something down for you right here and now.
There are three possible worlds where you can put this.

1) I am town, I smashed crystals since they were worthless to me and I didn't trust anyone else with them, while also attempting to see if crushing multiple at once would actually do anything. You might think I wasted an opportunity here.
2) I am scum. I smashed crystals for no possible gain to draw attention to myself rather than secretly give them to a scummate that can actually make use of them during N1 after cruising under the radar day 1. Wow, I'm a dumbass or I'm trading whatever value 5 crystals have for scum for a bit of wine. If you believe this, you should be THANKING me for smashing my crystals since I can no longer use them to hurt you and thanks to my actions neither can my scum mates.
3) I am third party, for some weird victory condition you seem to have come up with. No, wrong, but whatever, its possible I guess from your perspective.

Ya know, I PROBABLY wouldn't have done the crystal smashing thing had I had more information. But whatever, its a moot point now, its done, and I don't regret it. If you're that desperate for an excuse to act like someone else is scummy that you can't stop harping on it, in my view its making YOU look a hell of a lot worse. I mean honestly skunk, if I wasn't waiting for Inox to give me a reason to change my vote, I'd be on you now, since you can't seem to get it through your skull to find something else to focus on when you're putting me as one of your top scumreads.

My initial assumption, when dealing with random unknowns in mafia games, are to assume that they do more to help scum than town, if they do anything at all. That's how its been when I've seen EVENTS pop up in mafia games - either townies end up dead fiddling with them, its something caused by scum, it does nothing, or its something that grants scum more utility than town by virtue of their information advantage. So yeah, default assumption is get rid of it when there's no further information. The fact that you find that scummy isn't something I can change, but it is something incredibly backwards given everything I've seen and experienced on mspa forums mafia.

And are you seriously even acting like that would be an OMGUS? You've given more than enough reason to vote for you. You've picked no one but what you think are "safe" targets to be scumspects - visc and y_not were OBVIOUS targets based on yesterday and somehow a bunch of schmucks think "omg crystal smasher scummy scummy" so you add me to your list. If I can come up with legitimate reasons, its not an OMGUS. Oh, and YOU'RE NOT VOTING FOR ME.

You are correct to notice that I haven't said anything significant about visc today. Visc was incredibly scummy D1, and that will need to be looked at again at some point. But we want to look at more people than just visc or y_not or we might as well just skip to day 4 with the two of them lynched and no new information or relevant reads. You and Inox are in the hot seat right now. I'm not saying I'm ok with visc, but I'm not going to tunnel on one guy just because I think he's scummy. Maybe we'll come back to him today. Maybe D3. Maybe later. Maybe something will exonerate him before we take another look. We'll see. Between my last post of D1 and the start of D2, I saw some seriously scummy behavior from Inox and called him out on it, since I'm not going to spend all game focusing on one damn person.

And um, lets see. How can I not talk about the crystals when its what EVERYONE REFUSES TO SHUT UP ABOUT, particularly when virtually every discussion includes "OMG X SMASHED CRYSTALS SO SCUMMY." I'm trying to drop it. It keeps getting brought back up.

Also, you don't have to think inox is scum. TBH, I'm not sure, but I want him to convince me. But if you want to say someone's scum or scummy, how about coming up with something half as substantial as my arguments against him? Something that isn't just repeating what someone else has said in a slightly different way?

Here, I'm gonna ask you a few questions, Skunk. See how you deal with them.
1) If you could PUBLICLY rolecop exactly one person right now, who would you pick and why?
2) Suppose that me, visc, and y_not were all somehow 100% modfirmed as town. Name your 3 biggest suspects in this world.
3) You have to give away or use any and all crystals that you may be holding before the day ends or die, but will survive if you have 0 at dayend. Assume you have 5 now. What's the thought process?
4) You're about to be lynched. You have one post to attempt to guide the town's actions toward a win in the days coming after your lynch. Excluding any role-related information you may have, what do you say?
5) Suppose at least one of acionyx and mirdini is lying about being 3rd party. Which do you most suspect is scum and why?
6) Visceral is lynched and killed today, flips vanilla town. Who do you cop, doc, or vig tonight?
7) Same as question 6, except visceral flipped vanilla scum.

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Anyway. I'm still hoping Inox can give a reasonable explanation for what he's done so far. Preferably not just magic bagging to explain a very strange action - that shouldn't have worked in the irc robots game, and I don't think we can let it work here. I like dogs as much as the next guy, but I'm not gonna let one shit on my carpet without a good reason.

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Now, Red. I want you to explain this sequence of events.

...damn

...I'm tempted to smash crystals, but I say let X do that first :P

anyways people I mentioned w/low post numbers get thy arses in here

followed by me smashing my crystals and then followed by learning they do more than just silence.

This is nuts

First the scumlooking:
X for mashing all five of his crystals - they semi-silence, yes, but they also AMP and grant access to a freaking group QT for town!
...

And you've brought it up repeatedly as scummy since, including your latest posts on this very page.

Seriously. We didn't know the details, YOU were planning the SAME DAMN THING, and we didn't even know I wasn't effected by them. At least, I didn't know - were YOU given extra knowledge about crystals at gamestart?

[Laset]

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Sotek's official lynch vote tally. Please remember to specify all votes in bold!
14 voters, therefore 8 is majority and 7 is deadlock
InoxFy: 3 (x1372, Slayer0, MisterVisceral)
ArmoredSkunk: 3 (Acionyx, mr_y_not, Red709)
MisterVisceral: 2 (50,000 UNSTOPPABLE WATTS!, ArmoredSkunk)
Abstaining: 6 (Crilly, InoxFy, Mirdini, absoluteCertainty, soundlyParanoid, Seastormjt)
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Sotek's official crystal-getter vote tally. Please remember to specify all votes in bold!
14 voters, therefore 8 is majority and 7 is deadlock
Seastormjt: 1 (Seastormjt)
Crilly: 1 (Crilly)
Mirdini: 1 (Red709)
Abstaining: 11 (50,000 UNSTOPPABLE WATTS!, Acionyx, ArmoredSkunk, InoxFy, Mirdini, MisterVisceral, Slayer0, absoluteCertainty, mr_y_not, soundlyParanoid, x1372)
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Deadline is still Thursday or whatever, you guys should talk more.

[armoredSkunk]

Ahahaha that is a ridiculous amount of words to defend yourself against someone not even voting for you. But I love the overreaction, really I do.

You and Inox are in the hot seat right now.

Yeah I don't see it that way. Looking at Inox's votes, I think pretty poorly of all of you, and the voters on me are y_not and two dudes with "bad vibes" (and red's already said they're the same vibes as acio's which makes me think it's less what he thinks and more he just trusts acio's gut). I'd love to hear what acio's opinion of me is now, by the way, now that I'm posting.

So no, I don't particularly think I'm in the hot seat. In fact...
elect Inoxfy

I'm trying to drop it. It keeps getting brought back up.

Yes I'm sure you would love it if the topic was dropped.

if you want to say someone's scum or scummy, how about coming up with something half as substantial as my arguments against him?

This is a matter of opinion really. Personally I think your arguments are the ones that lack substance.

I guess I'll answer your questions in a bit? Don't want to stretch this out any further and honestly I don't see the point (still will do'em though!)

[InoxFy]

All right I haven't posted because I'm legit busy, and will be for the next few days so don't expect a storm of posts or anything along the lines of that.
I would love nothing more than to make a monumental novel-length wall of text for each of X, y_not, and Mr V are scummy but that is beyond my capabilities (and now even more than usual) and no one would actually read it.
Still I'll express my thoughts.

X..

And really, did you even read the posts that I linked? The first was three lines. One of those lines was him specifically stating that he wanted to smash all of his crystals, but wanted to wait to see me do it. The following post, soon after I'd smashed mine, he listed me as his TOP SCUMREAD for DOING SOMETHING HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO. Seriously, WTF Red Inox?

What?
Please link that post, go ahead, I'm waiting. I don't recall performing such action.
...
Unless you actually meant Red which is strange because you were talking about me in the previous paragraph and nothing indicated you switched topic.

I'm not sure where exactly you're getting that aS's case on MV is insubstantial. I for one think it is, on the contrary, substantial. In fact, I can say adequately say "just look at his posts", which is if I recall correctly the same thing he has repeated over and over again wrt me and called it a "strong case" every single time.

Your smashing of valuable town tool was scummy, X, and you can't pretend it didn't happen, because it did. You can't expect people to forget about it by saying "I would not have done if if I had info". If you don't have info you don't go ahead and do stupid things like that. No mater how many times you say you did it just for the hell of it or because you didn't trust people with them or whatever BS reason you pull out of your hat, it won't make me think you didn't do it for an ulterior motive.

And if you're going to rant about how everyone is talking about the damn crystals and nothing else then I would very much appreciate it if you would drop the damn topic yourself already. Stop asking me what I did with the crystals. With all due respect, it doesn't concern you. I did it for town reasons and Seastorm can confirm that. Heck, her reaction should be enough to show that I didn't just smash them like an idiot, and it should also be enough to convince you that what I did town thing considering she was actually about to make a case against me when I did it. If you're town, that's all you should really need to know. If you're scum, I sure as hell don't want you to know anything further than that.

Mr V next post.

[InoxFy]

And... ninja'd by aS saying similar things... I should stop taking 30 minutes to write a post


All right Mr. V.
I've said X is bad, but Mr. V is even worse. Uff... where to start?
I've said this up there but he keeps saying over and over again that he has a strong case against me, yet that doesn't seem to be the case. All I see him do is say "just look at his posts!", and "I can wall him if you really want me to!" over and over and over again, yet I'm not really seeing anything of substance there. All he's doing is sheeping X. No matter how many times you say you have a case, it doesn't actually mean you have one.

It's funny how you say you're defensive because people are attacking you for bullshit reasons when the only case you've ever made that I can recall and isn't directly sheeping someone was your case against Tea.
Exercise #2: Just to cite an example, look at 50k's case on you. Look at your case about Tea. Tell me which one is the bullshit case.

Yeah, yeah, I know "RVS, not enough info". Well if the only real case I can recall you making on someone was right after RVS, you're clearly not making a many of valid cases, are you?
But who knows, I might have missed them under the storm of fluff that constitute around 40% of your posts.

Then again, you outright admitted you weren't scumhunting on that post right there. Your excuse being that people are attacking you. To quote your own words, Mistah Vistah,

Wagons are natural when someone is so... suspicious.

The blatant sheeping of X on a mislynch and bringing it up constantly without actually saying anything to make it seem like the wagon has more inertia than it actually has is what sold it for me.
Vote: Mister Visceral