Choose Your Flavor Mafia: GAME USURPED. (town win, PRIME INTELLECT win)

[armoredSkunk]

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT MEEEEEEEE

I already said what I thought >:T

I think you've been changing your opinions on tea left and right, not because you changed your mind but because other people changed their minds. You've gone from "tea is scum" to "tea is totes town" and back again. And then your excuse was that you don't know what you were thinking before? This looks to me like someone just following the majority rule.

[Mister Visceral]

oh hey Crilly, Inox, and Slayer all need to vote/elect still which is pretty interesting.

Crilly hasn't actually said much all game besides being silly, being defensive, and being loose with the crystals.

Inox posted a few decent observations, which makes me wonder why he hasn't actually put down a vote yet. Hopefully he'll get the lead out of his shorts with his catch-up post here.

And of course Slayer needs to speak up.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT MEEEEEEEE

[Mister Visceral]

Acio makes a reasonably good point about tempmasoning and such, but overall I still think that the crystal setup is more likely to be a hindrance than a help to the town. But what's done is done, and I would argue that any day use of crystals from this point on as anything OTHER than setting up a two man mason pair and then removing it later be treated as a very scummy thing. Granted, trusting that both of the two involved are town and that the setup is both valuable and not something that scum can take advantage of is a "thing" all its own.

Now, as for scum and scumminess. To be honest, I'm still kinda leery of both para and red. While I would be very surprised if both were scum, I would not be surprised if one of them was. However, given their talkiness and the very relevant and important discussion that has surrounded the two, I'd like both to be alive a while longer on principle. Ironic that these are two of seastorm's strongest townbeliefs, but eh.

I still think that visceral is the scummiest looking player here today. He is being rather talkative, which is good though. Honestly visc, since you're the one in the hot seat right now, I'd really like to have you start asking questions of players and try to get thoughts out, since if you DO die such things will bring relevant information with your flip. If we are to mislynch, we ought to get as much GOOD out of it for town as possible - though obviously avoiding the mislynch is better. Having your scumlist is good, now explain why and ask questions of them (and everyone else!).

I haven't gotten a scum vibe from tea at all this game. I seriously am not sure where everyone got that. He felt town to me through most of his pressure wagon up through his claim and beyond.

I wouldn't be too terribly upset if we lynched y_not either. Silencing a guy who's close to hammer is incredibly scummy.

The quieter guys really need to make their voices heard too though. The more quiet townies there are the easier it is for scum to hide, and at this point there is no excuse not to have a lynch and election vote on SOMEONE.

Can I just say that I was eh about X before, but then I 'd this wall. This is like the exact opposite of walls I don't like. YOU GET ALL OF MY LOVES.

As far as why we think Tea is scummy, it's mostly because of his overreaction to the wagon being on him earlier this day and his reactions to Cat's protective claim, followed by his own protective claim. The way all of these things went down was buhhhh.

-When the initial wagon started and Tea had but a couple of votes on him, he responded with a huge wall of text, and then complained about Cat's meta. I can understand him being frustrated by the meta, but the way he went about it was... Bluh.
-His reactions to Cat's claim made sense to me after she was revealed, but after it was pointed out that two doctors were mechanically unfavorable I looked back and... it looks kind of fabricated, like from the beginning Tea was going to softclaim doctor. And then he just passed the point of no return and had to go with it.
-The actual post where he says "I'm a protective role" looks awful. Awful awful awful forced claim awful.

I was confused by the wagon going off of Tea, and it seemed easy to just hop off of it... I'm sorry about that. I know I dropped the ball as town and all that bluh bluh. I was gathering my thoughts on everything and... I don't know why, but this particular game is a little overwhelming to me. So there's me getting off the wagon. The above reasons pretty much sums up me getting back on the wagon.

~ATH and Tea could easily be aligned. #127 just looks like Tilde deflecting attention off of his partner onto me. Knowingly coaligned or not, ~ATH's attacks all seem unnatural and sort of like ass-pulls. Which sounds like an excellent exercise. He's part of the reason why I think that these attacks on me seem unnatural.

Inox is pinging badly with me for... pretty much the same reason.

[mr_y_not]

I'm feeling better about Tea since Para vouched for him, since I trust Para.

Ellaborate on why you trust Para.

[50,000 Unstoppable Watts!]

Ellaborate on why you trust Para.

...No?

You're a light scumread right now, elaborate on why I need to answer to you.

[mr_y_not]

...No?

You're a light scumread right now, elaborate on why I need to answer to you.

To justify why I'm a scumread of course. If you can't provide actual reason for trusting Para, why should you feel better about the guy I want dead?

[Mister Visceral]

...No?

You're a light scumread right now, elaborate on why I need to answer to you.

Because the town needs you to answer him. Why would you ever withold information about reads, ever, from the town? It's a fair question anyway.

[armoredSkunk]

I appreciate the time you took to type all that out but uh

I'm less than impressed with your love of x's wall when it clearly states he think's your the scummiest person here. And you're clearly playing on emotions to explain your wagoning.

@Watts! I'd like to hear an explanation but also don't feel forced to reveal anything secret

[50,000 Unstoppable Watts!]

To justify why I'm a scumread of course. If you can't provide actual reason for trusting Para, why should you feel better about the guy I want dead?

...Am I

Am I taking this seriously?

You just admitted that you pretty much have nothing on Tea. After several days of playing. And that that's all you have.

By contrast, Paranoia has been relatively active at all stages, has been hunting, claims to have had lengthy chats with Tea about the state of the game which Tea himself confirmed and NO ONE denied, and has been pretty fearless with his role and animalchat plans which would take not only a very savvy mafiosi but also a damn good liar to pull off if he was scum.

And no, I'm still not entirely sold on Tea. I was leaning 3P until two of the bastards claimed. That in mind, I honestly could believe Mirdini was lying!

But they all look better than you right now.

[50,000 Unstoppable Watts!]

Also looool two scumreads coming out to push me.

[InoxFy]

SoC post starts now... From page 14.

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-Red makes a good readpost, I agree with numerous points. X's crystal smashy thing was scummy as hell, MV... you put it very nicely.
But for all we know Tilde might be doing important Things in animalchat.
You just reminded me Rururu was playing this game.
-I'm all right with Acio, if his claim is true then it doesn't really hurt town unless all the crystals are destroyed in which case it can if he wants it to. (or maybe I'm an idiot and missing something)
-Mr. V asks Acio what his wincon is when he already stated it in deatail and makes a 12 line post that says absolutely nothing. -townpoints for M.
-I'm n0t really 0kay with Dini's wincon for the apparent reason that: I know I'm town, and I'm reading town on Red, this requires 5 people of whom 1 I know is town and 1 I think is town to die. I'd vig him only in case there's no better target.
-Mr. V gives BS reasons for wasting crystals and says a lot more of nothing. -Town points for Mr. V
-Red's angry softclaim makes me feel town on him.
Followed by something about amnesiacs minus visits? I'm not sure I understand what he even means
-Fear the Acio/Dini team!
-Well I didn't as much jump out for Tea as find Mr. V's case on him weak as hell and bandwagonny. And I didn't find Tea scummy at the time, but just how is X's crystalsmashing town?
-Now that I think about it just how scummy Mr V is being is making me feel better about Tea, unless early wagon start attempt to distance? The first wagon of D1 never gets anywhere. HMMMM
-Parareads are goodreads. +Townpoints for Paranoia
-+Townpoints for Red as well. And this game has a very low pants-to-player ratio. (I don't have pants either, but I have tires! )
-Skunk's SoC is all right and... Where the hell is Seastorm? Or Ruru for that matter?
-Not liking Amos at all, he loses a townpoint or two
-Tilde arrives! and with good reads. I agree with the grand majority. +Townpoints for Tilde...
-In retrospect, why did I think Visceral's reads were good again? What was I even on?
-Where ARE Lurkstorm and Lurkruru?
-Oh hey! Here is Ruru! She makes some all-right points, and my all-rightness about her increases in a directly proportional manner.
-I... don't know what Mr. V is trying to accomplish
-Amos... do you really need to ask why we lynch a third party? -TP's for Amos

Strongest scumreads so far: Both Mr's, Visceral and y_not
Not a fan of X either
Seastorm gets a pass. I know she's doing really important stuff right now._{("lurkstorm" sounds kinda unfair... it makes it sound like she's lurking a whole lot more than she is :/)}
Strongest townread: Paranoia
Red is up there on the tonwreads, but it's all ready out of your pants, you don't need to wave it around from side to side!!
In conclusion so far Vote: Mr. Viscer- wait no, Vote: mr_y_not. Why is this guy slipping under everyone's radars?
This doesn't mean I wouldn't be euphoric with a Mr. V lynch as well, however.

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-X's longpost makes me feel a hell of a lot worse about him. There's so much stuff wrong with it... Denying scum a benefit is a bad excuse for smashing crystals when they have been confirmed to give town even stronger benefits... SCIENCE is an even worse excuse. -TPs for X
-And then the thing about one of the people that can't turn into animals being the multidimensional entity? Where did you even get that from? It looks like a way to push a mislynch on nothing. Ten (town)points from Gryffindor X!
-Mirdini asks Tea a valid question that he fails to answer, losing a few townpoints in the process (Tea, that is)
-Slay0 has no excuses to lurk now.
-If X's hate of crystals is reminiscent of Paranoia's protection of Crilly's alt in Crilly mafia. Something tells me the crystals interfere with his wincon. It also tells me he's anti-town.
-I don't like the way Tea is kinda twirling around his bag of tricks. Then again he does that every single game. He does make good points about crystals.
-Hey! y_not makes a post that I don't hate (at a glance). He's not sheeping the 3rdpartydini opinion. Closer inspection reveals it's just trying to get claimed 3p's lynched again. I still appreciate the post's existence because if anything it will make me very convinced that 'dini is in fact 3p if he flips scum.
-Paranoia gets even more townpoints.

I'll pause now, this is taking a whole lot longer than I thought and getting too TL;DR
And probably doesn't help that much anyways.
At least it is good for me for future reference.

Results so far: Scumread on X taken to a whole new level.
y_not escalates the scumminess eccheladder as well.

So far I see no reason to change my vote.

I'll continue later, I shouldn't even be awake.

[InoxFy]

): Seastorm ninja'd me with a Very Good Post^TM
She gets townpoints! that was a good post!

Pthbtbtbt... If I had to pick a lynch pile... At least people that are acting weird enough for me to not like them it's...

Tea
~ATH
InoxFy (because, you know, he voted me)
Slayer0

Ace logic there, Mistah Vistah
Extra funny considering he made a huge case on Tea on the basis of "OMGUSing"

Oh yeah, about the crystals... I don't really need them.
My role is kinda pointless if there are no crystals around, but I can't actually do anything with them. I can't even animalize myself.

[mr_y_not]

...Am I

Am I taking this seriously?

You just admitted that you pretty much have nothing on Tea. After several days of playing. And that that's all you have.

By contrast, Paranoia has been relatively active at all stages, has been hunting, claims to have had lengthy chats with Tea about the state of the game which Tea himself confirmed and NO ONE denied, and has been pretty fearless with his role and animalchat plans which would take not only a very savvy mafiosi but also a damn good liar to pull off if he was scum.

And no, I'm still not entirely sold on Tea. I was leaning 3P until two of the bastards claimed. That in mind, I honestly could believe Mirdini was lying!

But they all look better than you right now.

What the fuck am I reading.
I mean, besides the bit about Para that I'm glad you finally answered.
Are you talking to me?

[mr_y_not]

I dont think Tea confirming talking with para through animalchats has anything to do with reads, btw.

[A Killer Cuppa Tea]

Vote: Mr_Y_Not

MV, i have questions for you! What do you think of mr_y_not, inoxfy, watts, x1372

[50,000 Unstoppable Watts!]

I dont think Tea confirming talking with para through animalchats has anything to do with reads, btw.

Uh yeah it has a lot to do with my read because, like I said, only one of two things is true right now: (1) Para is doing work in-thread and in the chat and solidifying his position as town, or (2) he is lying out of his ass and somehow stringing it all together without being the least bit suspicious. It is far more likely that Para is town. And if he and Tea are in contact, then once again, either Tea is trustworthy, or he is lying to Para. This is more of a toss-up, hence why Tea is not 100% town to me atm, but it's enough to push it over the edge.

Also I'm not really sure where your confusion is with my post. Were you talking about Mirdini when you talked about the person you want dead? If so, why isn't your vote on him?

I NEED SO MANY ITALICS TO EVEN DEAL WITH THIS OMG.

[mr_y_not]

No, of course I'm not talking about Mirdini. Didnt I go over the bit about it being theory?

I was talking about Tea, and likewise I'm making the point that Tea doesnt have to act scummy whatsoever in the situation that you are talking about. Why would he lie as town OR scum? Whats the fuking benefit?

Could we get some votals? i think I'm about to be lynched.

[mr_y_not]

Ehhhh....

Look, Tea's the best I have, thats why Im votinf for him.
Should someone come along and do something worse, they're probably going to get my vote.
And yes, I do think my reason is genuine enough to warrant it.

I probably spoke a little venomously earlier. My apologies. Long day.

[Red709]

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as far as tea until further notice I'm leaving para to deal w/him in animal chat
tilde's reads and the fact that he keeps dissappearing bugs me to some degree

Y_Not backpedals a little and tries to justify tea with "BEST IVE GOT" when there are other people to look at too - like really go reread find other stuff to not like too there's plenty of it now

MV is STILL being his good old No Personal Opinion self aka I'd like him dead if he keeps it up

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a bunch of people are giving me a townread for not keeping it in my pants which is funny because really I do that too much these days - remember when I'd never claim no matter how hard you tried to make me? Yeah me neither

[Slayer0]

Heyo sorry folks had some SERIOUS SCHOOL STUFF going on the past couple days. I'm on page 16, will post momentarily, and then back to school stuff.

QE: HEY IF I AM STILL AN ANIMAL I USE A CRYSTAL SO I CAN FUCKING POST THIS OKAY THANKS

[50,000 Unstoppable Watts!]

It's ok Slayer I un-animal'd you.

And yeah hnnnng on y_not after that exchange. Potential MV y_not scumbudspects? Idk, but I'm more anxious than ever to see what MV flips.

[Slayer0]

Okay cool. Lemme try and gather thoughts and then post COLORS since that seems to be the thing now.

[mr_y_not]

Y_Not backpedals a little and tries to justify tea with "BEST IVE GOT" when there are other people to look at too - like really go reread find other stuff to not like too there's plenty of it now

Hi Red. I went over everyone. Do you need me to do a full readwall to summarize my evaluations?
I mean, I really don't want to, but if you insist~
Sincerely (well, not really), Amos.

@50,000: S'pose I should've mentioned I trust Para at this state, too, but I'm stagnant on the point that just because they had a cutesy little mason chat doesn't mean YE GASP, HIM TALKING ABOUT THE CHAT MUST BE TOWNIE.

[mr_y_not]

On a completely unrelated note, what's the likelyhood that theres a player who can speak animal / hear animal as a human?

[Red709]

Y_not if you've looked at everyone and the best you're finding is Tea there is something SERIOUSLY WRONG here