How Do We Sleep While The Ships Are Burning?

[ikkonoishi]

I actually went over and observed the .gif in Gimp, and I can safely assure you that she goes through the wall. On frame 8, she flashes green and disappear into green goo on the wall in frame 9.

Yep

[wrinklefudger]

I... know this isn't the place to demand fan art, but Vriska Silverware.

at least it's not Vriska silverware, that would actually be kind of horrifying.

Stick a f8rk in m8, I'm done

[TimelessGallifreyan]

That has been a thing since forever, actually

Would it be cannibalism if the sprite is part human?

[Crispiness]

That has been a thing since forever, actually

I made this post knowing that there was probably some obscure moment in the comic that revealed sprites leave goop, so.

In your face.

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[aggrievesTemulence]

Oooh, yeah, didn't thought of it that way. But Dave didn't used his powers offensively...?

Dave pretty much used his powers almost exclusively offensively, as far as I can tell. I mean, it's hard to make an argument either way I think, since Time isn't really a damage-dealing element or anything, but in [S] Dave: Accelerate for instance it looks to me like he's using timey-wimey stuff in conjunction with with his mad ninja skillz to kill imps and ogres. Or, due to the stylized nature of the presentation it could be that he's just kicking all sorts of ass with his sweet sword alone until he brings out his Timetables. I can't remember, could Dave even time-travel without the Timetables yet at that point?

I actually went over and observed the .gif in Gimp, and I can safely assure you that she goes through the wall. On frame 8, she flashes green and disappear into green goo on the wall in frame 9.

Ahh okay cool. Now that I know what to look for I can see it. I think

[gimmethegepgun]

Okay, I only just noticed the update, and I'm not going to bother reading the thread.

Good decision, that.

[Destruction Dragon 360]

Good decision, that.

Yes, I had edited that into the post as soon as I had realized it, just as I'd pressed the Post Quick Reply button.

[nostalgebraist]

It's a compliment about your amazing avatar.

Yeah, that possibility occurred to me only after I submitted my last post and (as a result) remembered what my avatar actually was.

I have this problem (like, in real life) where I tend to irrationally worry that 1) people dislike me and 2) they are trying to make that clear to me but 3) I am too dense to get it. Whenn I get a compliment in real life, for instance, the first thing my mind usually does is run through all of the ways it could have been sarcastic.

I think sprites leaving goop was one of those things that Andrew phased out as the comic started getting more complicated and stuff like the sprites stopped being novel/cool/impressive in themselves. But I guess it's back?

[Murder]

at least it's not Vriska silverware, that would actually be kind of horrifying.

Stick a f8rk in m8, I'm done

BRAIN BLEACH PLEASE

[bloodyEmissary]

I made this post knowing that there was probably some obscure moment in the comic that revealed sprites leave goop, so.

In your face.

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You cannot hope to beat me in an obscure Homestuck knowledge-off.
I am simply the most anal-retentive there is.

[wrinklefudger]

BRAIN BLEACH PLEASE

I know my work is done when I hear that phrase.

[gimmethegepgun]

There are. Hence the swarm of Aradiabots. It can't all just be one copy of the same Aradiabot. There are a bunch of Daves that got offed at bad times that are floating in the void. If it wasn't for inevitable doom, there would be a ton of living Vriskas spread over timelines. Tust because there was a line where Vriska didn't get killed, doesn't mean all the trolls in it are invalidated by it's repair. Those doomed trolls, the doomed event and doomed lines don't not exist because someone died when they needed to our your time player fixed everything. It has to happen, will happen, and continue to happen up until the line comes to an end from all the doom!

God I have no self control.

And I can answer C. She saw it was coming because her seer powers let her know the decision Vriska made in her MIND (For emphasis) that it would doom them, so she undoomed them. Vriska still flies off and gets everyone killed in that line and the Alpha line keeps on chugging with dead spider troll.

Or, the simpler explanation that fits with what we already know, Terezi used her Seer of Mind powers to determine what Vriska and Jack would do.
Know what she didn't see in her vision that was a thing that SHOULD'VE happened if it was an actual doomed timeline?
PM showing up.

Why didn't she see that?
Because she didn't know PM even existed.

[gimmethegepgun]

Yes, I had edited that into the post as soon as I had realized it, just as I'd pressed the Post Quick Reply button.

And I edited out what you were responding to almost immediately because I saw that edit.
And you missed it on the quote button.

Now no one even knows what this little discussion was about! Yay!

[Dexlyn]

Yes, I had edited that into the post as soon as I had realized it, just as I'd pressed the Post Quick Reply button.

I saw your edit. I'm hoping for the true Vriska. So much good can come from it.

Also hoping the dream bubbles will be unlinked. That seems like a rather cheesy way to allow the kids to interact with each other before the three years is up.

[Stormspirit]

Or, the simpler explanation that fits with what we already know, Terezi used her Seer of Mind powers to determine what Vriska and Jack would do.
Know what she didn't see in her vision that was a thing that SHOULD'VE happened if it was an actual doomed timeline?
PM showing up.

Why didn't she see that?
Because she didn't know PM even existed.

No, that's because PM wasn't prompted to go after Jack because Jack didn't go to their time and fuck up their entire setting.

[gimmethegepgun]

No, that's because PM wasn't prompted to go after Jack because Jack didn't go to their time and fuck up their entire setting.

Except Jack saw the Red Miles in the sky, which is what prompted him to get his ass over to the inter-universal transportalizer ASAP and bloodied his hand getting the fuel for it.
Meaning PM saw it too, which would've landed a doomed-timeline version of her in there at 0:00 just like normal.

[nostalgebraist]

It's impossible to figure out what "should" or "should not" have happened in doomed timelines because they don't make sense. That's why they're doomed.

Like in the doomed timeline that Davesprite came from, none of the kids should have been alive because the ectobiology never happened. And yet!

[Dexlyn]

Or, the simpler explanation that fits with what we already know, Terezi used her Seer of Mind powers to determine what Vriska and Jack would do.
Know what she didn't see in her vision that was a thing that SHOULD'VE happened if it was an actual doomed timeline?
PM showing up.

Why didn't she see that?
Because she didn't know PM even existed.

Because it's not a catch all see everything. She can see the immediate outcome of decisions people around her make. The immediate for Vriska flying off? Everyone dies. That's why she only saw some of the fight. The fight wasn't immediate, nor would Jack taking off after the now unmoving meteor (No trolls=no team to meet up at the green sun or propulsion). Plus, the plan involving all of the people who would need to be alive now dead? That's enough for her to determine that it's doomed. No future seeing, no knowing everything. Just knowing what Vriska would do would fuck everything to hell and back and stopping it then. But it still happened. And will still happen.

Yeah, I muddled up a bit, but Vriska wouldn't see PM at that moment because PM didn't go after Jack right away. And we didn't see enough of the fight to know.

Hey. You want to give up on this argument and be a productive piece of shit with another topic? I think we're going to be stuck in a circle.

[Stormspirit]

Except Jack saw the Red Miles in the sky, which is what prompted him to get his ass over to the inter-universal transportalizer ASAP and bloodied his hand getting the fuel for it.
Meaning PM saw it too, which would've landed a doomed-timeline version of her in there at 0:00 just like normal.

Yeah, I muddled up a bit, but Vriska wouldn't see PM at that moment because PM didn't go after Jack right away. And we didn't see enough of the fight to know.

[wolftamer9]

There are. Hence the swarm of Aradiabots. It can't all just be one copy of the same Aradiabot. There are a bunch of Daves that got offed at bad times that are floating in the void.

I meant that there would be an infinite number of Aradiabots and doomed Daves who came back to the alpha timeline to fix things. It's impossible for all of them to have died in every possible outcome of every single event and all of those branching off. Therefore there must be an infinite number of timelines where the time player was capable of going back to the alpha timeline.

If it wasn't for inevitable doom, there would be a ton of living Vriskas spread over timelines. Tust because there was a line where Vriska didn't get killed, doesn't mean all the trolls in it are invalidated by it's repair. Those doomed trolls, the doomed event and doomed lines don't not exist because someone died when they needed to our your time player fixed everything. It has to happen, will happen, and continue to happen up until the line comes to an end from all the doom!

Assuming you're not trying to say that doom is a tangible entity that destroys alternate timelines, this is impossible due to the above argument. There are presumably an infinite number of possible timelines, and things would happen a different way in each one, implying that there have to be some where things go wrong for no reason, even if things contradict the past. That would mean that doom is a tangible entity that actually manipulates doomed timelines, diverting them from a simple cause-and-effect chain of events. This is actually a pretty interesting theory, but I don't remember there being any signs that it's true. Things point to the idea that doomed timelines do cause past intervention. Otherwise there would be an infinite amount of it.

And I can answer C. She saw it was coming because her seer powers let her know the decision Vriska made in her MIND (For emphasis) that it would doom them, so she undoomed them. Vriska still flies off and gets everyone killed in that line and the Alpha line keeps on chugging with dead spider troll.

I was actually talking about the part where Terezi killed a doomed Dave by sending him back from a branched timeline. I'm saying this doesn't make sense because even though Terezi might know the timeline exists because of her Seer powers, there's no known way to find and get in contact with the Dave from the offshoot timeline using Trollian.

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Or, the simpler explanation that fits with what we already know, Terezi used her Seer of Mind powers to determine what Vriska and Jack would do.

This.

[Fish]

Looking forward to her reaction to the alternate-Seer-of-Mind-timeline and Vriska's death. Also Cascade but that's still probably like a week away or something.

depends on whether or not she has school next week (I'm assuming she is a young'un.)
She's not that far from where I began reading Homestuck, though! It's pretty cool.

Uh

I can't tell if this is supposed to be a compliment about how I say things that are true or an insult about how I speak with absolute confidence?

Edit: Or just a joke about my avatar.

whydontwehavethree.jpg (minus the "insult")
You are quite good at explaining stuff! I really don't think your avatar could be more fitting.
But yes, it was just a random thought. I've just been quietly weirding out over the thought of Hussie reading our shit.

I'm now envisioning the rest of Homestuck as an endless sequence of cliffhangers.

but
it was already that
ever since act one, really

I have this problem (like, in real life) where I tend to irrationally worry that 1) people dislike me and 2) they are trying to make that clear to me but 3) I am too dense to get it. Whenn I get a compliment in real life, for instance, the first thing my mind usually does is run through all of the ways it could have been sarcastic.

I think sprites leaving goop was one of those things that Andrew phased out as the comic started getting more complicated and stuff like the sprites stopped being novel/cool/impressive in themselves. But I guess it's back?

Sprites leaving goop I think is confined to when they go through stuff?

I get that way about compliments in real life as well. Depending on the person.

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[gimmethegepgun]

Because it's not a catch all see everything. She can see the immediate outcome of decisions people around her make. The immediate for Vriska flying off? Everyone dies. That's why she only saw some of the fight. The fight wasn't immediate, nor would Jack taking off after the now unmoving meteor (No trolls=no team to meet up at the green sun or propulsion). Plus, the plan involving all of the people who would need to be alive now dead? That's enough for her to determine that it's doomed. No future seeing, no knowing everything. Just knowing what Vriska would do would fuck everything to hell and back and stopping it then. But it still happened. And will still happen.

What you just admitted there is that she didn't actually see a doomed timeline, but she extrapolated what would happen from what she already knew.
Thus severing her powers from anything remotely related to actual doomed timelines and putting it squarely in hypothetical situations.
If she's not seeing a doomed timeline, but only seeing what happens based on what she knows, then why assume it was a doomed timeline at all?
Literally my entire point right there.

[Stormspirit]

What you just admitted there is that she didn't actually see a doomed timeline, but she extrapolated what would happen from what she already knew.
Thus severing her powers from anything remotely related to actual doomed timelines and putting it squarely in hypothetical situations.
If she's not seeing a doomed timeline, but only seeing what happens based on what she knows, then why assume it was a doomed timeline at all?
Literally my entire point right there.

Okay, let's take the hypothetical point that she might be actually extrapolating from what she knows. How would she knows that Vriska would roll a 8^8 and use Ancestral Awakening? How did she know what Jack would do? She doesn't know anything about him, how he acts or how he fight.

[Dexlyn]

I meant that there would be an infinite number of Aradiabots and doomed Daves who came back to the alpha timeline to fix things. It's impossible for all of them to have died in every possible outcome of every single event and all of those branching off. Therefore there must be an infinite number of timelines where the time player was capable of going back to the alpha timeline.


Assuming you're not trying to say that doom is a tangible entity that destroys alternate timelines, this is impossible due to the above argument. There are presumably an infinite number of possible timelines, and things would happen a different way in each one, implying that there have to be some where things go wrong for no reason, even if things contradict the past. That would mean that doom is a tangible entity that actually manipulates doomed timelines, diverting them from a simple cause-and-effect chain of events. This is actually a pretty interesting theory, but I don't remember there being any signs that it's true. Things point to the idea that doomed timelines do cause past intervention. Otherwise there would be an infinite amount of it.



I was actually talking about the part where Terezi killed a doomed Dave by sending him back from a branched timeline. I'm saying this doesn't make sense because even though Terezi might know the timeline exists because of her Seer powers, there's no known way to find and get in contact with the Dave from the offshoot timeline using Trollian.

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This.

I'm done with the argument for now but I will clarify something. About the inevitable doom, it's not meant to be a physical manifestation. I was under the belief that at some point, something puts an "end" to the doomed line. Not destroy it, just end it. That's where all the doomed players come from. They still have to die at some point to be floating out in the void. But if I'm wrong, I'm wrong and will not fight this anymore. Sorry you had to see this.

[wolftamer9]

I hate logical arguments like these. Not because they're big and never-ending, (actually I hate that more than anything but it's not what I'm talking about) but because I can't ever follow what arguments other people are making, unless I focus really hard and pay attention. Damn ADD.

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I'm done with the argument for now but I will clarify something. About the inevitable doom, it's not meant to be a physical manifestation. I was under the belief that at some point, something puts an "end" to the doomed line. Not destroy it, just end it. That's where all the doomed players come from. They still have to die at some point to be floating out in the void. But if I'm wrong, I'm wrong and will not fight this anymore. Sorry you had to see this.

I'm not sure I understand. You mean that doomed timelines cease to exist? I think I sort of got that, but I'm not sure how or why that would happen besides the obvious 'changing the past' thing.