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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    Quote Originally Posted by recalcitrantIre View Post
    I thought the "steal his will" part related to her mind control, but I guess that could be part of her Thief of Light powers since apparently its not a normal ceruleanblood thing
    It's meant to, but, like many things in Homestuck, it applies a double-meaning. As the Thief, the Black Queen says it's her job to steal, and Vrika's case, his mental will was included in the 'Things that can 8e stolen' list. It also applies to the fact that as a Thief, she can move Tavros around whereas other servers cannot, as it steals their free will and natural ambition/fruition/whatever that Rose mentions. When I first read Homestuck(and Hivebent as a subset of it) I immediately wondered why the hell Vriska could move around like that when I specifically remembered Rose being incapable of doing so. Going back to the dialogue, I can see why and how now. Because she is the Thief, and thus allowed to 'steal' her client's say in the matter of where he goes in relation to what he might be touching.

    tl;dr Another one chalked up for Vriska being OP: Being able to move Tavros around whereas others can't for the soul purpose of making his life a little more miserable.
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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    Cross posting:

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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    How was Vriska able to interact with Tavros' FOUR WHEEL DEVICE if direct server player interaction with client players or anything directly touching them is prohibited in the kids' session?

    It isn't entirely prohibited. If you look at the page where Rose was trying to move the bed John was lying on, the bed is jostling a bit, and so is John.
    There's also the issue of intent, Rose was actively trying to help John reach his gate, Vriska was just trying to hassle Tavros. I don't think Vriska's role as a Thief played into that situation.

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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    I missed that... Jade wears glasses.

    I noticed all of the other glasses though. Still not sure how that happened.

    Rather awkward when you base a whole giant IDE on her not having glasses.
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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    I missed that The Condesce's name was Meenah....


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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    Quote Originally Posted by InvertedVoid View Post
    I missed that... Jade wears glasses.

    I noticed all of the other glasses though. Still not sure how that happened.

    Rather awkward when you base a whole giant IDE on her not having glasses.
    Then... then what did you think some of the eye computers were? Are we chalking this up to "I thought their glasses were their eyes"?

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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    I noticed that when the babies are created through Ectobiology they have diapers on?
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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    I technically noticed this months ago, but eh.

    Some of the characters have gray outlines (and general gray colors) against black backgrounds. Why? Black on black obscures detail.
    Same thing with the different shades of gray on white. White on white obscures detail.

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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    Quote Originally Posted by kwinse View Post
    There's also the issue of intent, Rose was actively trying to help John reach his gate, Vriska was just trying to hassle Tavros. I don't think Vriska's role as a Thief played into that situation.
    I'm just saying that Vriska wasn't met with the same red-lined barrier of motion that Rose did. Also the explicit mentioning of the thievery of will and such, in conjunction with the Black Queens instructions to Vriska, just helped me make the connection.

    Actually, now that I think about, this isn't even really all that obvious. If anything it's a complicated contraction of callback and game mechanic.
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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    The thing that caught my eye in the quoted snippet was this:

    TT: The game probably regards that as a kind of cheating.

    Which player taught John how to cheat? Even without the thief bit in the next line, that would be enough to rest this case for me.
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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jane View Post
    I kept wondering about the possible connections between Calmasis and Li'l Cal...
    yet never noticed how Dave's sword was named CALedscratch.
    Right, but that's just because it's based of Caledfwlch, yeah?


    Quote Originally Posted by Weeaboo
    I missed that The Condesce's name was Meenah....
    Not quite. Her pre-scratch incarnation was named Meenah. The Condesce, like Aranea/Spinnerette Mindfang was likely given a different name in the post-scratch universe.

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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    Somehow I missed the fact that the two space players, Kanaya and Jade are--in a manner of speaking--respectively a vampire and a werewolf...

    huh


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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    This has probably been covered all ready, but I just realized that the first four paradox clones are Jane, Jake, Roxy, and Dirk.


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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessolf27 View Post
    Somehow I missed the fact that the two space players, Kanaya and Jade are--in a manner of speaking--respectively a vampire and a werewolf...

    huh
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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    Quote Originally Posted by cardiacAtrophy View Post
    Right, but that's just because it's based of Caledfwlch, yeah?




    Not quite. Her pre-scratch incarnation was named Meenah. The Condesce, like Aranea/Spinnerette Mindfang was likely given a different name in the post-scratch universe.
    That's what I meant, thanks.


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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    The cover of the fantastic SBURB album has the 4 kids on it. HOLY CRAP I just noticed that and it scared the shit out of me.
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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    For a little while, I hadn't realized part of the story was being told in the top banner when we were with Doc Scratch.

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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessolf27 View Post
    Somehow I missed the fact that the two space players, Kanaya and Jade are--in a manner of speaking--respectively a vampire and a werewolf...

    huh
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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pyradox View Post
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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    The Condesce is a Red Queen in the B2 session.

    Also, Meenah appears for a split second just before the end of [s]Jane: Enter.

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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tac View Post
    This has probably been covered all ready, but I just realized that the first four paradox clones are Jane, Jake, Roxy, and Dirk.
    Not really a thing you missed unless you also missed that Jane, Jake, Roxy, and Dirk are (pretty much) alternate universe versions of Nanna, Grandpa, Mom, and Bro (unless you also missed that the babies were Nanna, Grandpa, Mom, and Bro).
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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiwaxia View Post
    The Condesce is a Red Queen in the B2 session.

    Also, Meenah appears for a split second just before the end of [s]Jane: Enter.
    I guess that means I missed the entirety of the part where they explained the Red kingdom, what it's planet was named, and how they fit into this Chess themed war.

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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    Quote Originally Posted by cardiacAtrophy View Post
    I guess that means I missed the entirety of the part where they explained the Red kingdom, what it's planet was named, and how they fit into this Chess themed war.
    The Red Queen comes from an alternate version of chess where the black pieces are red. And she's also very similar to the Red Queen herself (Alice in Wonderland, Through the Looking-Glass).
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    Re: Obvious things you missed 8: three days or you didn't miss it.

    I really just realized that:
    1. 413+612=1025
    2. 10=2x5
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