IDE/Theory Thread 24: The Pink Moon's moon is Io

[Mpete]

well, the Uu thing seems to be conformed, as if any one thought it had stoped being a thing thats real
and is that doc scratch's gun?
edit: ninga'd

[azhdrake]

IDE: UU and uu are the same person, in the B2 universe, and they were an experiment by BC to try and turn humans into trolls. That is why uu is so damn bitter and angry, he was a human and is now some abomination. Also how the same person can have two different blood colors.
I still can't explain why UU thinks she is in another universe though. Maybe they escaped to somewhere else?

[Woe Kitten]

IDE: UU and uu are *not* the same person, and the signs on Calmasis's leg-irons represent the u-trolls working together to contain someone/something. The colors on the floor represent the blood they spilled to capture it.

Yeah, I dunno what to think at this point. Just throwing out alternate possibilities.

[The_Codfish]

Woe Kitten: Alternatively, the leg irons represent and the background color represents how they will oppose each other but will be forced to work together anyway.

Also, Calmasis is pretty much a big freaking metaphor. So yeah, s/he may symbolize how UU and uu are actually one person, but alternatively, it could also represent how 'close' they are (like, maybe, twins?).

Also, it seems like Calmasis is supposed to represent Spades Slick in the latest panel? I mean, it seems like that to me, considering what Dirk says in the pesterlog.

[TBFProgrammer]

Wild IDE: Skulltop+Uu-UU --> Lord English

Alt Wild IDE: Lord English is a composite troll (plus the skulltop). He has all the bloods.

Much more sane IDE: That there would be a Hussie that UU and uu have trapped.

Bonkers IDE: Homestuck ends after a cocktail ecto-biology session involving all 24 trolls, 8 kids, UU/uu, Hussie, Dad and Cal. The result is Lord English. The newly born LE then faces off against a Bec Noir who has obtained at least one more prototype ring. Act 7 is the final battle.

[Woe Kitten]

I still think UU and uu are related in that they were spawned from the same batch - given their circumstances, probably the only ones that were spawned from that batch.

Honestly, I just really hope they aren't the same person. I can't really explain why, but I may just be reaching at this point.

[Crii]

IDE: John, Jane, Jade, and Jake are all actually ectosiblings/clones of themselves. Same goes for Dave, Dirk, Rose and Roxy.

Something like this:

1. In an original time-line, Jake and Jane provide DNA for John and Jade. Dirk and Roxy provide for Dave and Rose.

2. The reckoning happens and everyone gets thrown unto a "second time-line/universe".

3. In second timeline, John and Jade are the ones to provide DNA for Jake and Jane. Dave and Rose provide DNA for Dirk and Roxy this time around.

4. Repeat cycle.

So it'd be something like:

Alpha -> Beta -> Alpha -> Beta (an endless cycle)

All this stemmed from the recent update.

TT: We've talked about the guy I'm genetically derived from a lot actually.

So:

John, Jane, Jade, and Jake: siblings/clones/parents/children ecto-slurry

Dave, Dirk, Rose,and Roxy: siblings/clones/parents/children ecto-slurry

I guess it made sense in my head?

[Stormspirit]

But we know that the B2 Kids have been created in B1. They will not be created again. Jane, Jake, Dirk and Roxy are actually simply created from themselves.

[Crii]

^True. But Dirk did say:

TT: We've talked about the guy I'm genetically derived from a lot actually.

I mean, unless Dirk is just grasping at straws or something? I dunno. I just thought this theory would maybe somehow explain how Dirk, Roxy, Jane and Jake were created and maybe were somehow thrown as original guardians into the B1 universe because of shenanigans. I mean, the original guardians need to have an origin or something. Unless Hussie just makes them "poof, just existing".

[Hytheter]

The B2 kids have no idea what teh scratch is. They don't realise they were a created in another instance of the universe. That's why Jake's penpal is confusing to them.
For all Dirk's knowledge there are facts that he's missing.

[Stormspirit]

The B2 kids have no idea what teh scratch is. They don't realise they were a created in another instance of the universe. That's why Jake's penpal is confusing to them.
For all Dirk's knowledge there are facts that he's missing.

Also: Dirk knows that the Condesce instilled the trolls' system of reproduction. He could very well think that his father and mother just threw pieces of their DNA to the drones and then he popped out years later.

[Crii]

The B2 kids have no idea what teh scratch is. They don't realise they were a created in another instance of the universe. That's why Jake's penpal is confusing to them.
For all Dirk's knowledge there are facts that he's missing.

That's also another thing I've never understood. How exactly did Jake get in contact with Jade, when she was in another universe and know that she was his grandmother? But I'm guessing UU could probably be responsible for this.

[The_Codfish]

I think it was mentioned that it was UU who hooked Jake and Jade up?

[Hytheter]

Well, they're communicating with letters sent via an inter-dimentional appearifier/sendificator system. How they discovered this system I don't know...

[Conspicuous]

Jake accidentally took Jade's bunny at one point.
That's how it was all set up.

UU just encouraged Jake to upgrade the bunny.

[Eiphel]

IDE: UU is on the Alternian green moon, along with Felt Manor. It's presence at Alternia was neccesary for the business that originated Lord English, and it was flown there through the Medium by Lord English, the Condesce, or maybe UU himself. More likely UU was being held prisoner there/experimented on there.

[fractalVacancy]

Also, Calmasis is pretty much a big freaking metaphor. So yeah, s/he may symbolize how UU and uu are actually one person, but alternatively, it could also represent how 'close' they are (like, maybe, twins?).

Heck, Calmasis being a composite metaphor doesn't even necessarily have to mean the two of them are even particularly close. S/he might just represent the joint effects UU and uu have on the session.

IDE: The CotL books represent the upcoming B2 session rather than or in addition to any given troll session (Jane, Jake, Dirk, Roxy, John, Rose, Dave, Jade, Karkat, Terezi, Gamzee, and Kanaya make twelve). This would make Frigglish either Jane or Rose (Jane, as Nanna, was crushed by a giant book, and Rose is of course known for long-winded, florid writing and, in one case, for writing a nonsensical book that nevertheless held a major secret of the universe).

EDIT: Completely unrelated IDE: It is literally impossible for trolls to be heterochromic without some sort of bizarre circumstances like Sollux's eyes. After all, according to Hussie troll irises start out gray and fill in with their blood color as they mature.

Theory: Sollux's eyes literally glow constantly red and blue at some level. They're almost certainly a solid color, judging by comparison with how other troll eyes are drawn. He may actually need those glasses to see if that's the case, if his mutation does weird things to his eyesight.

[ponce]

IDE: UU and uu are not trolls, but biracial carapacians spawned from the marriage of Spades Slick and Ms. Paint. That explains the grey skin. English kidnaps them and gives them to the Condesce to raise or something.

Edit: the Bright lime green blood is some sort of felt-power infusion.

[handsofSobek]

IDE - Lord English will never be defeated, in fact he has nothing to do with B2 session. They simply defeat condesce and then finish making new universe. Homestuck over.

[sxizzor]

IDE: The CotL books represent the upcoming B2 session rather than or in addition to any given troll session (Jane, Jake, Dirk, Roxy, John, Rose, Dave, Jade, Karkat, Terezi, Gamzee, and Kanaya make twelve).

aradia? sollux?

[Stormspirit]

aradia? sollux?

They are at the Green Sun. There's a very minimal chance they will ever get back into the B2 session.

[Conspicuous]

They are at the Green Sun. There's a very minimal chance they will ever get back into the B2 session.

I dunno, Aradia's likely connection with Lrd English probably means we haven't seen the last of her.

[Stormspirit]

I dunno, Aradia's likely connection with Lrd English probably means we haven't seen the last of her.

Yes, but I mean, as herself. Sure, she might get back, but if she really will fall into LE's hands, then she won't be the same when she comes back.

[ponce]

IDE - Lord English will never be defeated, in fact he has nothing to do with B2 session. They simply defeat condesce and then finish making new universe. Homestuck over.

Lord English is B2's genesis frog. He can never eat himself because he is himself.

[Crii]

IDE: All four Jack Noir's (A2, B1, B2 and possibly UU and uu have one too?) will team up to try and defeat Lord English.

We're drowning in Jack Noirs.