IDE/Theory Thread 24: The Pink Moon's moon is Io

[ponce]

IDE: LOHAC would make an awesome weapon. I mean, Jade basically has complete control over a massive ball of lava.

Jade: Wield Solar System as Bludgeon

[cyberHeroine]

IDE: LOHAC would make an awesome weapon. I mean, Jade basically has complete control over a massive ball of lava.

Planetkind abstratus? Seems sort of tricky to utilise under most circumstances, but why not?

[fractalVacancy]

The tricky part would be doing it without damaging the surface of the planet. You've got all kinds of fiddly bits on there that would crush really easy at weaponizable scales, and that's assuming it doesn't leave craters in the planet itself.

[InvertedVoid]

Lohac would be the best weapon.
But Jade only has one...
Actually, is there anything stopping her from alchemizing like four hundred Lohacs and using them as weapons?

Also, theory: titles. In approximate order of logic.
Thief of Life
Sylph of Light
Mage of Blood
Page of Void
Bard of Doom
Prince of Rage
Rogue of Hope
Heir of Time
Seer of Heart
Maid of Mind
Knight of Space
Witch of Breath

Some of these make less sense than others, and some are only there because of process of elimination. Like Witch on Summoner because if he was a Knight then the Dolorosa would be another Witch of Space, and they were the lat two.

Any thoughts on which ones need to be changed?

[Mr_Smitt]

I'm fairly certain witch and knight will turn out to be female and male exclusive, respectively.

Anyway. IDE: The next potato will see Hussie avoiding LE's shots by way of his fancy footwork.

[Steak]

IDE:

Hussie will die.
A character will carry him to a SECOND QUEST BED. Most likely candidates are fedorafreak, the Gent of Piss, Nicolas Cage, the Nic of Time, dead(?) Ms. Paint, or dead Rufio.
Said character will perform a kissvival on him while he is on the SECOND QUEST BED.

Hussie will reach SECOND LEVEL GOD TIER as the fully realized Huss of Lips.

[InvertedVoid]

My current theory of classes looks something like

+M: Bard+/Prince-, destroys (canon)
-M: Page+/Knight-, defends
-F: Rogue+/Thief-, steals (canon)
+F: Sylph+/Seer-, comprehends?
-F: Maid+/Witch-, changes?
-M: Mage+/Heir-, ...has? <--Needs something better

Where +M means "all-male," -F means "mostly female," etc.

I'm not sure what the breakdown is on how many classes are gender-exclusive, so I just went with one pair for each gender.
I could definitely see Page/Knight and Maid/Witch turning out to be gender-exclusive, though.

If we take that to be true, then I guess I'd go with

Sylph of Light (canon)
Thief of Life (canon)
Mage of Blood
Page of Void
Seer of Heart
Knight of Breath
Bard of Doom
Prince of Rage
Maid of Mind
Rogue of Space
Heir of Hope
Witch of Time

which matches gender on everyone, I think.
Dolorosa always ends up with something awkward.
I don't like how the Highblood always ends up as Prince, though. It's just a change from + to -.
Maybe he could be a Knight? Defending the current order? Then put Prince on the Summoner? Hm.

[Snowmanne]

IDE:

Hussie will die.
A character will carry him to a SECOND QUEST BED. Most likely candidates are fedorafreak, the Gent of Piss, Nicolas Cage, the Nic of Time, dead(?) Ms. Paint, or dead Rufio.
Said character will perform a kissvival on him while he is on the SECOND QUEST BED.

Hussie will reach SECOND LEVEL GOD TIER as the fully realized Huss of Lips.

To add to this awesome idea, there will be a whole huge background plot about Hussie playing a session with Cage, FF and rufio. It will only appear in intermissions (or a separate SBAHJ-like adventure? (not in quality, in updating intervals)). It will only by for jokes, and the only real effect it will have on the plot will be how Hussie is stalling LE until act 7.

[InvertedVoid]

To add to this awesome idea, there will be a whole huge background plot about Hussie playing a session with Cage, FF and rufio. It will only appear in intermissions (or a separate SBAHJ-like adventure? (not in quality, in updating intervals)). It will only by for jokes, and the only real effect it will have on the plot will be how Hussie is stalling LE until act 7.

Or intermittently in the top bar, the way it did when Hussie was hunting Doc Scratch?

It will also be incredibly dramatic, that's for certain. RUFIO DON'T DIE ON ME AGAIN!!!!

[Snowmanne]

Or intermittently in the top bar, the way it did when Hussie was hunting Doc Scratch?

It will also be incredibly dramatic, that's for certain. RUFIO DON'T DIE ON ME AGAIN!!!!

Hussie - Huss of Lips - Land of Artifacts and Horses
Cage - Nic of Time - Land of Casinos and Crooks
FF - Gent of Piss - Land of Ties and Coffee
Rufio - [[what ever pre-scratch summoner will be]] - Land of Fire and Ellipsis
Ryan North - Waste of Space - Land of Reptiles and Repetition

[Legendary]

But Hussie is the Waste of Space. He was wearing the outfit and everything.

[InvertedVoid]

Well, the whole premise is that Hussie is going double-god-tier, isn't it?
He's the Waste of Space and the Huss of Lips.

[dialecticBlight]

On 4/13, Jane's land will be shown and it'll be something absolutely, ludicrously bizarre. Also, during the commotion, Dad will slip and fall into the kernelsprite, creating Dadsprite. Afterwards, Sassacre's joke book will fall on Dadsprite, and we'll finally be able to know what exactly results from prototyping with that thing.

Alternatively, the sprite will get prototyped with some random imp and... then another random imp, creating Siameseimpsprite.

Failing that, uh... I don't know. Something equally ludicrous and unexpected.

[Tirgo]

On 4/13, Jane's land will be shown and it'll be something absolutely, ludicrously bizarre. Also, during the commotion, Dad will slip and fall into the kernelsprite, creating Dadsprite. Afterwards, Sassacre's joke book will fall on Dadsprite, and we'll finally be able to know what exactly results from prototyping with that thing.

Alternatively, the sprite will get prototyped with some random imp and... then another random imp, creating Siameseimpsprite.

Failing that, uh... I don't know. Something equally ludicrous and unexpected.

there will be no prototyping in B2

[linkman0596]

there will be no prototyping in B2

no PRE-entry prototyping, post-entry is still possible

[InvertedVoid]

IDE: The main characters will defeat some major antagonist, who will then come back as a sprite.

Also, why did LE's eyes freeze as 8 balls? His eyes have never not been animated before.

IDE: Gamzee will wnd up staring at LE with the colors shining on his face the way his modus did back at his intro.

[The Mather1]

IDE: Gamzee will wnd up staring at LE with the colors shining on his face the way his modus did back at his intro.

IDE: GamzeeLE will become a thing. Gamzee will shooshpaphonk LE into submission then they'll be sharing sopor pies while sitting in front of a mirror, looking at LE's flashing eyes.

[Sparrowsmith]

So A2 contains B1, which _is_ B2, which would hypothetically _be_ A1, which _is_ A2. So A2 contains itself. Which is odd but not the oddest thing ever.
So all four / three of them would be alternate timelines of eachother, varying by when which groups of babies arrive.
I'm actually starting to kind of like this theory.
And by the way, those exile terminals would still show the relationship between adjacent universes correctly, regardless of whether A1 is B2.

IDE: If Jade tried to, she could use her powers due to the Green Sun on LE's cane.

Every instance of a scratch we've seen has only shown one scratch though, not two. And we've explicitly seen a diagram of two distinct frogs rather than a disk with two scratches and a disk with none.

I'm not saying it's an impossibly IDE, I'm just saying another step is required.

A1 -/- A2 -> B1 -/- B2 -> UU -> A1
players from B2 (who are trolls) create a new universe (of trolls) that are peaceful and live alongside humans (UU and uu) who then make there own universe that is pure troll for some reason (A1) but still peaceful.
So how do UU and uu know about the kids? Because they created them in B2. Uniting trolls and humans into the greatest sburb session ever. It's literally the story woven into the universe itself (much like how we have the star signs from the trolls).

Boom. Fully consistent IDE with no flaws (not that I can see anyway).
Renaming myself Doc IDE. At the end of Homestuck, when LE is killed, I will fall over dead. Then Hussie will burst out of my head and travel back in time to write Homestuck in the first place.

[InvertedVoid]

Every instance of a scratch we've seen has only shown one scratch though, not two. And we've explicitly seen a diagram of two distinct frogs rather than a disk with two scratches and a disk with none.

I'm not saying it's an impossibly IDE, I'm just saying another step is required.

A1 -/- A2 -> B1 -/- B2 -> UU -> A1
players from B2 (who are trolls) create a new universe (of trolls) that are peaceful and live alongside humans (UU and uu) who then make there own universe that is pure troll for some reason (A1) but still peaceful.
So how do UU and uu know about the kids? Because they created them in B2. Uniting trolls and humans into the greatest sburb session ever. It's literally the story woven into the universe itself (much like how we have the star signs from the trolls).

Boom. Fully consistent IDE with no flaws (not that I can see anyway).
Renaming myself Doc IDE. At the end of Homestuck, when LE is killed, I will fall over dead. Then Hussie will burst out of my head and travel back in time to write Homestuck in the first place.

So under this theory, the players in B2 are trolls and not kids? Or are you having the kids in B2 make a new session and then trolls in B2 make a separate new session? Or something else?
And you're saying UU and uu are humans?
Also, in the sentence "Because they created them in B2," who exactly are "they" and "them" referring to?

Sorry for all the questions, just want to make sure I understand what you're saying before I comment/evaluate/compare/whatever.
Also, I like the notation -/- for scratching. *steals*


The way I see the notation in the exile ships is
B1: A dial going between frogs, as in from the inner frog to the outer frog (which may or may not be the same frog depending on which theory you're talking about)
B2: A dial going between the scratched and non-scratched B1 Beat Mesa, as in going between the universe before and after the Beat Mesa was scratched.
Hypothetically in A2: A dial going from a music box to a scratched music box (or whatever the equivalent of the A1 players' Beat Mesa looked like, because it probably wasn't a disk, and Aradia is associated with music boxes, so...), as in going between that individual scratch
Hypothetically in A1, if A1 is not B2 but instead comes after either B2, U, or some other session: Two frogs again.
And then, assuming for simplicity that U comes immediately after B2, U would probably have the two frogs again.
You'd never have to see two scratches on one disc under any theory, because exile ships trans-scratch would just show the individual Beat Mesa in question pre- and post-scratch, unless you were dealing with a session X1 -/- X2 -/- X3 -/- X4 etc., where the same Beat Mesa spawned in every session and got an additional scratch every time.

I need to make a chart or something of all the different possible ways the sessions could be ordered. I think that might be helpful.

[Thedude3445]

To add to this awesome idea, there will be a whole huge background plot about Hussie playing a session with Cage, FF and rufio. It will only appear in intermissions (or a separate SBAHJ-like adventure? (not in quality, in updating intervals)). It will only by for jokes, and the only real effect it will have on the plot will be how Hussie is stalling LE until act 7.

This... may be better than my 8-player session idea. just make rufio 2busy4this and everything works out super keenly. Hussie if you ever read this post, you know what to do. I beg of you, please do this :P

[Constonks]

For titles discussion, I've got my list here that I meant to post a while back but then forgot:

PreHandmaid: Witch of Time
- I think this one kinda just makes sense, really.

PreSummoner: Prince of Breath
- This one's not really based on anything other than making the "Prince" a non-Highblood and giving Tav's ancestor a destructive class because it seemed interesting.

PrePsionic: Heir of Doom
- I think this was a leftover one, if I recall correctly.

PreSufferer: Page of Blood
- Basically just the difference between Knight and Page made this one easy, especially if Karkat was some sort of leader in the pre-Scratch timeline, as the Sufferer (the Page) could have learned things from the Knight.

PreDisciple: Seer of Heart
- Seemed a perfect fit, and the only one that all the lists on Page 41 agree upon.

PreDolorosa: Maid of Space
- "Maid" is really the only title that describes the Dolorosa at all, being pretty much a nursemaid and all.

PreRedglare: Rogue of Mind
- Redglare is a bit smash-and-grab with the whole dragon thing, with some roguishness about her.
- It's also the passive version of Thief, with all its inherent Vriskaness.

Aranea: Sylph of Light
- Canon.

PreDarkleer: Mage of Void
- I would have considered Prince had it not been *destructive*, as Darkleer really didn't destroy voids, he used them. As such, Mage seemed to work.

PreHighblood: Knight of Rage
- Sounded cool, I guess!

PreDualscar: Bard of Hope
- Dualscar in a codpiece amused me. Also the Bard/Prince duality.

Meenah: Thief of Life
- Canon, presumably, barring any Shocking Developments.

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[mysteriousOutsider]

Things that could happen to Hussie:

- God tier ascension
- Corpsesmooch revival
- Vampirism
- Become a ghost
- Head to the dream bubbles
- Deus ex machina
- Actually be dead forever (least likely)

What did I miss?

[fractalVacancy]

Things that could happen to Hussie:

- God tier ascension
- Corpsesmooch revival
- Vampirism
- Become a ghost
- Head to the dream bubbles
- Deus ex machina
- Actually be dead forever (least likely)

What did I miss?

- Sudden reveal of body armor/other sudden immunity to deudly firearms
- Turn out to actually already be God Tier and this death counts as neither just nor heroic
- Only mostly dead

Though I guess those sort of fall under "Deus ex machina".

[mysteriousOutsider]

yeah that's what I put it there for

- Sudden manifestation of authorial powers

also deus ex machina

[InvertedVoid]

I'd say switch Page and Mage, but the rest seem plausible.
I like Maid of Space, I think.

I also kind of want Bard on Doom because the Psiioniic seems passive to me, and allows Doom/fate to destroy, in a way. He definitely could have force-choked the Condesce at some point with his powers. And the Orphaner doesn't strike me as passive.