IDE/Theory Thread 24: The Pink Moon's moon is Io

[Ace of Dark-Hearts]

Ide: horrer terrors are failed, mutated frogs.
Ide: a frog who is mutated becomes a gree sun.
Ide: the extra moon is a glub blolb egg

hmm? hmm?

There is only one Green Sun.

Also, failed frogverses would have no reason to become mutated. They would just fail to produce more universes.

[InvertedVoid]

To d2r123: First theory: I talked about this a bit earlier and thought it actually made a good bit of sense.
Second theory: No. There is one Green Sun, and while half of it technically does happen to be a cancerous Bilious Slick, that's not really the cause/effect going on here.
Third theory: I doubt it. For one thing, it could never hatch, and then there's that Mrs. Glubs would need a mate to make an egg, and then it's probably several times the size of Ms. Glubs.

To everyone: title for...Summoner.
Counting Sylph, Thief, Mage, and Page as already taken for the purpose of this exercise. Also assuming his wings have to do with his title and Breath aspect reacting, because that's the only thing about him related to Breath I can think of.
So, not Heir, because he's different from John. He steals nothing, so not Rogue or Thief. If he's the Bard I'll eat my hat. He doesn't destroy stuff, so not Prince. So that leaves Maid, Witch, and Seer. uHHHHH...
Seer doesn't make much sense. And Maid is all-female, right? So I guess that makes Witch mostly-female, with him as male? That sort of works. What Jade does with Space shenanigans, what the Summoner does with flying shenanigans.
Hold on, I need to look up some stuff. I'll be back shortly.

EDIT: Apparently I'm completely making up the all-female Maid bit. But I think the Summoner makes more sense as a Witch than a Maid.

[TBFProgrammer]

However, with the exception of one contradiction that directly flies in the face of other pages in the comic, it's worth noting that every entrance there follows the rule I mentioned: Until the chain closes, the server player is always someone who isn't in the Medium yet.

Again, even if they did follow the pattern mentioned, there is no logical rule established as a result. A rule states a clear tendency, from which things rarely deviate. We can't draw such a conclusion from looking at only two instances. Thus, we can't use the pattern to say that a client driven or even dual chain is unlikely.

Applying that logic would yield a rule that failed sessions will scratch, yet we have been told that this is rare. Further, we have two examples of scratched sessions where the players weren't erased, yet we know that this too is an anomaly out of all scratches. Two is far too small a sample size to draw any statistically derived results.

Were we dealing with an author who delighted in rigid patterns, then this would acceptable meta reasoning. Hussie has specifically stated enjoying altering the expected outcome.

Summary: You are too hasty to shoot down theories sometimes.

[whitehelm]

Counting Sylph, Thief, Mage, and Page as already taken for the purpose of this exercise. Also assuming his wings have to do with his title and Breath aspect reacting, because that's the only thing about him related to Breath I can think of.
So, not Heir, because he's different from John. He steals nothing, so not Rogue or Thief. If he's the Bard I'll eat my hat. He doesn't destroy stuff, so not Prince. So that leaves Maid, Witch, and Seer. uHHHHH...
Seer doesn't make much sense. And Maid is all-female, right? So I guess that makes Witch mostly-female, with him as male? That sort of works. What Jade does with Space shenanigans, what the Summoner does with flying shenanigans.

I'm not sure that the A2 personality necessarily matches with the A1 class...does Mindfang strike you as a Sylph?

[Doom Zero]

To d2r123: First theory: I talked about this a bit earlier and thought it actually made a good bit of sense.
]To everyone: title for...Summoner.
Counting Sylph, Thief, Mage, and Page as already taken for the purpose of this exercise. Also assuming his wings have to do with his title and Breath aspect reacting, because that's the only thing about him related to Breath I can think of.
So, not Heir, because he's different from John. He steals nothing, so not Rogue or Thief. If he's the Bard I'll eat my hat. He doesn't destroy stuff, so not Prince. So that leaves Maid, Witch, and Seer. uHHHHH...
Seer doesn't make much sense. And Maid is all-female, right? So I guess that makes Witch mostly-female, with him as male? That sort of works. What Jade does with Space shenanigans, what the Summoner does with flying shenanigans.

EDIT: Apparently I'm completely making up the all-female Maid bit. But I think the Summoner makes more sense as a Witch than a Maid.

You've left out Knight.
I'm kind of okay with the Summoner being Knight of Breath.

I'm just going to make a list here, of the classes, aspects, and characters, organized by classes first.

Maid -------- Time, Life ----------- Aradia, Jane
Page -------- Breath, Hope -------- Tavros, Jake
Mage -------- Doom --------------- Sollux
Knight ------- Blood, Time --------- Karkat, Dave
Rogue ------- Heart, Void ---------- Nepeta, Roxy
Sylph ------- Space, Light --------- Kanaya, Aranea
Seer -------- Mind, Light ---------- Terezi, Rose
Thief --------- Light, Life ---------- Vriska, Meenah
Heir --------- Void, Breath -------- Equius, John
Bard ---------- Rage --------------- Gamzee
Prince -------- Hope, Heart --------- Eridan, Dirk
Witch --------- Life, Space --------- Feferi, Jade

Time --------- Aradia, Dave, Handmaid
Breath ------- Tavros, John, Summoner
Doom -------- Sollux, Psiionic, ???
Blood -------- Karkat, Sufferer, ???
Heart -------- Nepeta, Dirk, Disciple
Space ------- Kanaya, Jade, Dolorosa
Mind --------- Terezi, Redglare, ???
Light --------- Vriska, Rose, Aranea
Void --------- Equius, Roxy, Darkleer
Rage -------- Gamzee, Highblood, ???
Hope --------- Eridan, Jake, Dualscar
Life ---------- Feferi, Jane, Condesce

Man, if only we had 4 more characters to fit into those unfilled spaces. We'd need somebody for Rage, somebody for Blood, somebody for Mind, and somebody for Doom.

[cyberHeroine]

UU and uu are looking to be Space and Time, though. And it's hardly a simple matter of saying "He's angry, he must be a hero of Rage." Each class and aspect appears to have certain traits associated with it, but they're not always very intuitive.

[InvertedVoid]

Mindfang doesn't seem like a Sylph, but I can't think of anything Mindfang really did with her aspect to judge with. I did try to mostly stay away frim personality and focus on what actions they took, particularly with respect to their aspect, along with anything else that seens aspect-related, plus considering what definitions we have. He pretty clearly did not allow Breath to be destroyed or allow Breath to destroy, for example.

Also we don't quite know what Sylph is yet to compare. It could probably be a passive counterpart to Witch or Seer.

I makr no claims that this is accurate, so if anyone thinks a different title makes more sense, just say so. I just kinda want a list to use as a starting point.

Let's see for Handmaid...
Sylph, Mage, Page, Thief, Witch taken. Aradia's already the Maid. Now, she's used as Scratch's personal timetraveling killer, and if we take Knight to be defensive, that's out. She isn't really stealing, so Rogue's out. I'd say Seer's out.
I think I could get behind the idea that she destroys using Time. I'll go with Prince(ss) of Time for now (over Heir and Bard).
We do know that Prince is only mostly-male, from UU.

And I guess I'll try to sort out the other six tomorrow.

EDIT: Oh yeah I missed Knight. Der. I guess since I'm going with Knight-Page as defending classes as my current hypothesis, that would make Summoner one who defends with Breath... which makes sense and keeps the genders straight. Although I'm kind of hoping for crooked genders so we can find out what class UU is. If Summoner is a Witch then she isn't.
Also, could you maybe add what we know about genders and active/passive to the reference chart?

[cyberHeroine]

Princess has two syllables. It's not a viable class. And when did UU state that Prince wasn't male-only?

[InvertedVoid]

The (ss) was just sort of a pun.
UU says Prince is mostly male in her conversation with Dirk. I just reread every one of her conversations for clues.
She also says Rogue is mostly female, and whatever UU is is all female.

[Legendary]

She says Prince is exclusively male.

UU: it is very far on the active side of the scale. its more passive coUnterpart woUld be the bard class. both of these are exclUsively designated for male players.

[Doom Zero]

UU and uu are looking to be Space and Time, though. And it's hardly a simple matter of saying "He's angry, he must be a hero of Rage." Each class and aspect appears to have certain traits associated with it, but they're not always very intuitive.

"looking to be"
That's some definitive evidence there chap.

And yes, I know it's more than that. I can be non-serious while proposing ideas, I just tend not to. This was a rare moment where I wasn't serious.

I doubt we can really count uu or UU in this at all, but I'm trying to remain optimistic here. It would just suck terribly if we end up with an unequal distribution of classes and aspects.

[Legendary]

Why?

[InvertedVoid]

She says Prince is exclusively male.

UU: it is very far on the active side of the scale. its more passive coUnterpart woUld be the bard class. both of these are exclUsively designated for male players.

Oh derp.
I guess Heir then.
How did I mess that one up?

Also, even if UU and uu fall under the right classes and aspects for balance, we'd still need two more to finish it up. Uu and uU, perhaps?

[Tirgo]

intermission 2 ends on april 13th with a new flash

[Druplesnubb]

One particular species of hororterror is frog-shaped and reproduces with the help of tiny microorganisms living inside it's body. Lord English's unverse-eating schtick is actually just a part of his plan to kill off all the horrorterrors.

[Sparrowsmith]

The way I see it potentially working is B2 has the session that everyone expects with Dirk and Jane and co., which creates either the C or U session, and then the remaining characters reform B2 Earth, which becomes a generally good place and is inhabited by the restored troll race. Years in the future, a set of meteors arrives with copies of Karkat and co. as the A1 ancestors, eventually followed by Aranea and co.

I do believe we have been explicitly told that after a session is successful, the planet could be restored by the Exiles and eventually host a second session. So it's a loop with an escape.

It still seems doesn't add up because (speaking for the universe) it means B1 was created which then scratched into B2/A1 which then scratched into A2 which then made B1. We've seen commands on the stations that relate to moving objects through universes/scratches. When Roxy sends Jaspers back, the dial is stuck on a scratched disk, but when BecNoir escaped into the troll session, the dial was moved from one frog to another. This means that A has a frog that is separate to B, and is not a scratch of B or vice versa.
Don't make me find the pages and quote canon at you. This entire post is just an excuse to use that image.

[cyberHeroine]

Ok, new update!

...I got nothin'

IDE/Theory: Hussie will survive. Maybe? Please?

[LMLYP]

reposting this because its still my favourite theory:

The Handmaid developed red feelings for Darkleer, and discovered that he was a "dark pocket" in Doc Scratch's omniscience. She exploited the void to hide from her employer and liase with him in secret. When the apocalypse approached she brought him forward in time, where his exceptional STRENGTH and mechanical aptitude would prove useful.

[Blaperile]

IDE/Theory: Hussie will get lazer'd in a callback to Eridan lazering either Feferi or Kanaya and then he will fall down the balcony, into the water just like SS.

[ponce]

IDE/Theory: Hussie will get lazer'd in a callback to Eridan lazering either Feferi or Kanaya and then he will fall down the balcony, into the water just like SS.

The lazer is just the sight. Maybe it will fire the meteor?

[LMLYP]

IDE\THeory: lord english has an incredibly deudly gun and it fires lots of incredibly deudly bullets.

next panel will be a callback to this

[d2r123]

You know, as a characture who can't affect the story without destroying it, he is kind of a doomed player.

[InvertedVoid]

It still seems doesn't add up because (speaking for the universe) it means B1 was created which then scratched into B2/A1 which then scratched into A2 which then made B1. We've seen commands on the stations that relate to moving objects through universes/scratches. When Roxy sends Jaspers back, the dial is stuck on a scratched disk, but when BecNoir escaped into the troll session, the dial was moved from one frog to another. This means that A has a frog that is separate to B, and is not a scratch of B or vice versa.
Don't make me find the pages and quote canon at you. This entire post is just an excuse to use that image.

So A2 contains B1, which _is_ B2, which would hypothetically _be_ A1, which _is_ A2. So A2 contains itself. Which is odd but not the oddest thing ever.
So all four / three of them would be alternate timelines of eachother, varying by when which groups of babies arrive.
I'm actually starting to kind of like this theory.
And by the way, those exile terminals would still show the relationship between adjacent universes correctly, regardless of whether A1 is B2.

IDE: If Jade tried to, she could use her powers due to the Green Sun on LE's cane.

[ponce]

IDE: Horrorterrors are victorious kings/queens of Derse who, upon causing their session to fail, squat in the final pond where B. Slick would manifest and gestate into monstrous forms.

[Daysi]

IDE: LOHAC would make an awesome weapon. I mean, Jade basically has complete control over a massive ball of lava.