IDE/Theory Thread 24: The Pink Moon's moon is Io

[d2r123]

So, umm.... where does the light come from with no skyaia?

[deathsbuddy]

So, umm.... where does the light come from with no skyaia?

Same reason it's daytime in LOLAR and nighttime everywhere else.
Shenanigans.

[Juju]

So, umm.... where does the light come from with no skyaia?

It looks like the big bright blue ball with the clouds (aka Skaia) is still there.

It was just the battlefield at the center of it that was destroyed

[Vanymstorm]

On the other hand, it's canonical that the underlings were made out in the Veil and some were still being made after troll!Echidna had died.

No. Please note that Underlings are not the same as the kingdom soldier units. Carapacians and other chess-type units have fairly typical biology. When killed, they leave behind corpses and blood. Underlings leave behind grist instead, and are probably made of the stuff. They also come in colors other than white and black. In fact, no white or black underlings that I can recall were even observed in the troll session, oddly enough.

Will you guys be needing any other helpful infographics tonight?

[d2r123]

It looks like the big bright blue ball with the clouds (aka Skaia) is still there.

It was just the battlefield at the center of it that was destroyed

When? I didn't see it at any point during our 5 pannels in the future.

[vlad3163]

Alright so going over UUs previous conversations, here are some interesting points that might hint towards the Uus being in one body.

In Dirk's conversation with her she says:

UU: i'd thoUght we had everything settled, bUt it's always something with him.
UU: i even told him in my last message it woUld sUit me fine if he wanted to be the server player instead. i jUst want to begin!
UU: bUt i have not heard back from him... >:u

So her co-player is generally unresponsive when she sends a message. Ok. Then she says that after talking with Dirk she's going to take a nap.

Not long after that uu contacts Dirk (after UU has started her nap). So, they've never met face to face (but UU still "knows" they have different colored blood), uu doesn't respond to her messages in a timely fashion, and the only time we see uu talk is after UU goes off for a nap (obviously it's only a short one, because she's up again to talk to Jane in her land)

Now about the blood colors: I think there's a perfectly logical explanation given that they've never met face to face. What if they think the color the other one is typing in is the color of their blood (as it is with most trolls). Obviously they would know that they aren't typing in their own blood colors (unless they actually are, in which case there's probably something going on causing their blood to darken when agitated, like uu is) but maybe they assume the other is more honest about their blood.

Bleh I'm tired, I'll look into making this more coherent when I wake up.

When? I didn't see it at any point during our 5 pannels in the future.

The battlefield is a completely separate entity from Skaia. I don't think destroying the battlefield hurts Skaia in any way, otherwise how are the B1 kids supposed to do anything with their battlefield. I'm pretty sure the blue, glowy, cloudy orb is still there, and would be pretty hard to destroy, if not impossible.

[Sparrowsmith]

I think when he says "I have never once failed to complete this objective, and I never will", he's talking about Alpha-timeline versions of himself, because that's the only timeline he really cares about.
Consider the statement "There is nothing noble about taking a course of action you believe would prevent his arrival, because that is impossible." It doesn't mean it's impossible to create a timeline where LE does not arrive (in fact, that's as simple as creating a doomed timeline); it means that it's impossible to prevent his arrival in the alpha timeline. Similarly, he's not saying that he never failed to complete his objective across all timelines, but across (the alpha timelines of) all universes in which he has been spawned.

For the sake of clarity lets imagine a doomed timeline Scratch then. Would it hold any relevance to the story of Homestuck?
No.
Scratch lives (if I'm remembering correctly) over 612 years after Alternia was destroyed. He also lived long before that too, but the majority of his actions take place from that time*. Any timeline splits occurred LONG before he intervened in events within the narrative. So even if doomed Scratch's do exist, a prospect I find unlikely, it wouldn't alter the story in any relevant way whatsoever.

*I am inferring this from the handmaid's arrival, who he then proceeds to look after. Her escape (and enslavement) are simultaneous with his death, which we know occurred during the violent dance between The Midnight Crew and The Felt, particularly the time SS visited Scratch, which we saw from two different perspectives. The only time we see Scratch outside of this timeframe is when he destroys Vriska's eye, we don't have any frame of reference for this event from Scratch's viewpoint.

[reignonyourparade]

The only time we see Scratch outside of this timeframe is when he destroys Vriska's eye, we don't have any frame of reference for this event from Scratch's viewpoint.

I don't believe scratch actually has the power to do things at different points in time. If he's destroying vriska's eye in the same universe he's in, which he is, it should be simultaneous.

[d2r123]

When? I didn't see it at any point during our 5 pannels in the future.

The battlefield is a completely separate entity from Skaia. I don't think destroying the battlefield hurts Skaia in any way, otherwise how are the B1 kids supposed to do anything with their battlefield. I'm pretty sure the blue, glowy, cloudy orb is still there, and would be pretty hard to destroy, if not impossible.

That doesn't answer the question.

Also, if the battlefeild and blue glow are dependent on eachother, the blue thing would start working when the battlefeild was placed. If the blue glow is separate from the battlefield, then they can be combined on arrival. Neither case is proven by this evedence. So, back to the question. Did anyone actualy see the blue thing during the future?

[aeonsleuth]

Skaia is not the Incipisphere's Sun.
Terezi did not get blinded by Skaia, she got blinded by Alternia's Sun, which was coincidentally in the same place as Skaia.
Seriously if Skaia was as bright as the sun how could we even see it and note that it's blue and has clouds in it. Why isn't Jade blind?
All these things make it pretty clear that Skaia is a giant ball of sky in the centre of the Incipisphere, and at the centre of that is a Chessboard/planet/thing.
Destruction of the Battlefield means that Sburb cannot be completed, It is used to turn Skaia into a giant ball of water with crystal lotus flowers when the BK is killed.
But the ball of sky will still exist, I think.

[d2r123]

Well, I was kind of thinking it wouldn't have to be quite as bright, because it didn't have far to go and most of the planets were kind of dark anyway. Either way, we have to choose between two types of shananigan here. Also, none of that is evedence that skiaia is still there.


Hey guyes, where are they gonna get a black king to kill?
Never mind, IDE: Dave kidnaps the black king and drags him to the future of the future, where they slaughter him like a goat to please their god, skiaia.

[Legendary]

No. Please note that Underlings are not the same as the kingdom soldier units. Carapacians and other chess-type units have fairly typical biology. When killed, they leave behind corpses and blood. Underlings leave behind grist instead, and are probably made of the stuff. They also come in colors other than white and black. In fact, no white or black underlings that I can recall were even observed in the troll session, oddly enough.

Will you guys be needing any other helpful infographics tonight?

The second thing was my mistake (but mostly forgetfulness). The first though, I could have sworn there was a quote somewhere.

[The_Codfish]

d2r: Remember when Jade took the Battlefield? She left Skaia where it was. That should really be enough of an example to show that Skaia and the Battlefield are separate things (they only affect one another when the Genesis Frog matures, it seems).

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006604

See the battlefield getting blown up? See the clouds in the background? That's Skaia and it's still there.

[d2r123]

She left it behind, you say? That's enough information for me. I wasn't sure if she took it or not.

[Legendary]

You can see it later on in Cascade, towards the end of the countdown to the Tumor's detonation. The Beat Mesa is ascending to it and the Time and Space symbols are superimposed on each other and rotating rapidly. Also of note is that Jade left behind part of the Battlefield!

[The_Codfish]

The squiggly lines.

You know, those things may have been part of the process in transforming Skaia into a pond for the Genesis Frog?

[Legendary]

Who can say any more?

[d2r123]

All we do know is that it deffinitly isn't the right planet. However, universe b2 was basicaly made to accept the thing, so we don't know that either. It would be lol worthy if they managed to place the battleground but skaia rejected it.

[narcolepticBeanie]

The noble gases is clearly a thing, but the death themed lands is taking it a bit far I think.

Jane's is crypts because she is a LIFE player. Players lands tend to have one part to do with their aspect, and one part to do with their mission. (which can be left to however imaginative Hussie wants to be, though it seems he's keeping to noble gases this time round)


John - WIND and SHADE (he had to clear the clouds)
Rose - LIGHT and RAIN (play the rain)
Dave - HEAT and CLOCKWORK (stoke the forge)
Jade - FROST and FROGS (breed the frogs and defrost the planet)

Jane - CRYPTS and HELIUM (A Maid of Life has to serve life so to speak, her mission is to bring life back to the land. The Helium seeds are the mission.)

So the other noble gases will have something to do with their mission, but the other part is to do with their aspect.


Also, isn't the order pretty much confirmed to be Jane, Roxy, Dirk, Jake?

[The Mather1]

I'm stumped, any ideas how Gamzee 1. Godtiered. 2. Got his hands on Aradia's time music boxes. 3. Learned how to use said time artifacts. ?

[mysteriousOutsider]

3. Jokerkind?

They probably don't require any innate time powers to operate.

and they're not even weapons so

yeah i dunno i guess anyone could do it maybe

[whitehelm]

I guess I'll start with the boring theory to counter any wacky theories that will inevitably show up here...Gamzee was godtier all along, just like Vriska. No one was around at the time, and he switched to his normal clothes. Aradia's time-musicbox things were probably left in some random chest on the meteor.

[Hytheter]

Also, isn't the order pretty much confirmed to be Jane, Roxy, Dirk, Jake?

Not necessarily. Usually the server player of the last character to enter is also the next to enter themselves.

[azhdrake]

Also, isn't the order pretty much confirmed to be Jane, Roxy, Dirk, Jake?

Yeah, as Hytheter said all other examples have been client followed by server. So most likely Jane->Dirk->Roxy->Jake

[mysteriousOutsider]

He has no wings.

That's weird.