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[Airey]

Airey: What're your opinions of jwlk, shudder, and KaiDASH?

jwlk has a semi-excuse for not posting but still needs to post more, however he does bring up a good point about darcys b.o.d gift to gene

Shudder and KaiDash have posted no where near enouth to get a decent read off but shudder just seems to be going with the collective and kaidash is making small fluff posts.

[Rubisco]

Rubisco: Hmm. If I said I had hard mechanical knowledge that bbobjs was innocent, what would you say? What if jwlk said the same thing, would you response change? If so, what to?

Well, you claimed judge, so that would mean 2 things. That you either lied about your role, and in fact have some other role that can determine guilt/innocence, or that you are in cahoots with someone who has a role that can do that. With the first scenario, I'd be very suspicious- if you had lied about your role, did you lie about other things? Could I come up with any reasons as to why a townie might lie about his/her role, or is this the mark of scum? For the second one, the 2 most visible groups are the coven and the court. If you were in the coven, there's a high chance that you would be lying about bobjoke's innocence in order to discredit the court. If you were in the court, then why would the court lynch bbojsis in the first place? Perhaps you would be court scum? As well, there are more town-y people on the court for sharing court information. Additionally, you could be part of some third alliance where someone has that kind of role. But that would require a leap of faith on your part- you would have to be convinced that they were on your side, and you would have to convince them of your good will. And, judge is not one of the paired roles, so you have no natural allies like the Bishop/Nun or Priest/Acolyte combos. So, basically, if you made that claim, I'd asked for more evidence, while in private I'd be very unlikely to trust you.

If jwlk made that statement, I would be more likely to think that such a scenario could happen. I don't know his role, so he could conceivably have one of the scum-hunting roles. However, if that was the case, why would he not have revealed himself to the court? Why would he be exposing himself over bobjob? Is he lying or not? Again, I'd want more confirmation.

In addition, I was leaning towards bbjoo scum beforehand (as stated above), so I'd be more suspicious of a innocent-bbojsb claim, then say, a innocent-LegendaryQ claim, whom I thought was town prior to the court's verdict.

Summary: didn't trust oobojs anyways; that claim from claimed judge would make me suspicious; claim for jwlk would be more believable; would want loads more proof regardless.

So, why ask me about those 2?

[Crilly]

Crilly: I ... don't remember a lot from you this game! Give me your reads. All of them.

So uh let me preface this with this post by Bbobjs. And look at the bolded part especially:

Crilly is definitely on my shit list. First of all he's voted on several of the people I suspect (anacreon, Eidolonic, Geneti, Bean) I feel like maybe he's cycling through his buddies to obscure the connection. Beyond that he kinda just disappeared when shit started getting real, which bothers me. I could also see him as a mastermind behind several of the largely erratic players.
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And then look at post in response to my response (again look at bold)

@Crilly: Was the vote on Anacreon actually accidental? Or maybe you weren't paying attention to which of your buddies was actually supposed to get the vote. As for Bean... "the only reason you're not still voting to lynch him is because of Airey?" So otherwise you'd like to be wasting today's lynch on that? Because that's pretty much what I'd expect a witch to want at the moment so...

Again my point here isn't "are these votes legit?" it's "these votes seem odd in combination". Like either you're the best scum detector ever or you know something you shouldn't, I'm assuming the latter.

As for Aerinon, yes he made a sarcastic post and that's kinda derp but I don't see it as a scum action, at least not from him. To me it looks like he's saying "here we go again" not "deathnote.gif" especially when put into context.

Can you see what I see? (also people bbobjs listed are in a separate section so I can analyze them separately)

Airey: null? Town firmed Prime said he's good but feh.
Cat: Cat? She's not posting a lot, but that's cat and she does it regardless of alignment.
ChumpChange: Townish? Been busy (so excused for lurking) but kinda like the small posts he has made?
Crilly2: Null. Oh wait he's me TOWN
Fortuna: Makes good posts, but rarely does them. For now, light town.
Ixta: No talk. Unlike the others s/he hasn't even made good posts. Light scumread unless s/he starts talking.
Oz: Was good d1, but hasn't talked at all (if he did only like one or two) since it. null
Prime: Town durp
Red getting replaced? Still scummy but yeah :V
Rubisco: You're in this game ninja'd made a post that was all mechanical and doesn't make me feel better.
Sotek: I supported you for court d1 and I would still want you in court now. Srsly, you are a really good player and this question was really good for finding the bbobjs post. Besides prime you're my top town read.
Stiq: scum read for those bad questions, and d1 urgh.
Tea: Long live the king
Shudder, JWLK and Valldor: Wait you are in this game?
BBOBJS SAID YOU WERE A WITCH Reads:
Eido: D1 preformance makes me want you lynched, but D2 and 3 calmed me down a bit. Light scum.
Bean: SCUM!SURVIVALIST
Geneti: Oh god this one is conflicting, you were my in my top 5 town reads before bbobjs and darcy, but after that I dislike you. Might of been null if it Darcy didn't give you a life, but eh. If someone in this is town, it's you, but ragh.
Anac: Long time lurking+ Bbobjs so scum it hurts.


Okay im going to ask the bbobjs list in a hour or so, but for now I'm going to have a nap. PEACE OUT.

(also wow is anyone in this game town)

[Crilly]

Huh, I swear Rubisco had posted less (this is why you read the entire thread ladies and gentlemen on all reads) anyway, I still don't like him.

[Laset]

Rubisco: I don't think I want to explain why I asked the questions I did, right now.

But the general idea of a questiontime like that is that I have some reads and ideas and whatnot, and I ask questions about people to people to leverage this.
And of course I also have filler questions that I don't really care about but I ask anyway since I also don't want to reveal which questions I care about!

[Valldor]

Validor: You replaced for a guy who vanished and is normally pretty active. Hit me up your reads, please. Also, ask two people questions!

**Current Reads**

Bean: Witch Read. I still have a lot of trouble trusting him as being a town after his episode day 1. The only part that confuses me is that he has gone fairly unnoticed since then, so maybe court has some town read or inside knowledge. Does not keep him off my radar however.

Cat: I have had a lot of trouble pinning her down, which apparently she is notorious for anyway. I am getting a town read on her however as some of her posts almost seem to bait coven into trying to kill her. She soft-claimed Martyr? in day 2; could be the gambler trying to make witches lose a kill.

Stiq: Soft Witch Read. The way he tunneled on bbobjs and his general attitude make me feel that he is just hoping people will follow his aggression. *If he always plays like this, someone please correct me*

GenetiX: Honestly thought that he is a witch, most likely a junior. His fued with Mirdini on day 1 made me feel it was a ploy to waste time. However Deceptive, who i had a decent town read from, gave him his life. Still a tad suspicious, but feeling more town.

Oz: Town Read. He has been productive in both hunting and keeping our day's active. He also posts just enough to stay on the radar, but tries to avoid any serious conflict within his reads, as if hes trying to keep safe. Might have an important role (Martyr?).

Airey: Soft Witch Read. His posts are very short, seldom, and while they answer the questions they do not provide a lot of thought in them.

Eidolonic: Town Read. He has some well thought out question/answers, and actually defends his points rather then deflects them.

Rubisco: Soft Town Read. While he posts sledomly, it seems theres a lot of thought and content behind them, brings up many good points.

Sotek: Town Read. Great leader of town discussion, lead off Day 4 with a solid question wall for people to voice opinions.

Prime/Tea: Clear Town Reads.

**Questions to People**

GenetiX: In light of Mirdini's death, what are one/two reasons you feel the coven might have chosen him over Sotek or Prime, whom I feel are 2 of the biggest town leaders currently.

Sotek: You asked everyone some really good questions, but I am also interested in your thoughts as well. Who are your top two scumb reads, and what is your opinion on Crilly & jwlk.

[Valldor]

Sorry I derped, meant to type:

GenetiX: In light of Mirdini's death, what are one/two reasons you feel the coven might have chosen him over Sotek or Tea , whom I feel are 2 of the biggest town leaders currently. [obv. cant kill Prime since hes the lover]. This is what I get for posting this late

[shudder]

shudder: What's your read on Stiq? Also, if you could pick one person to have their alignment publicly revealed right now, who would it be?

dude(tte?) is genuine, so town. invested. rants seem towny, even the flustered ones. hmm, i'd choose.. me Ixta because it would bring to light to why (s)he openly said (s)he'd lurk, other than reasons he stated, that people have been theorizing or puzzled about. everyone else is kind of meh, confirmed town, probs town, off the radar, or on everybody's scum radar. the latter will be ferreted out anyways, so i wouldn't cardflip someone as obv as Bean. perhaps GX, because other than D1 there seems to be no other reason he's being read as scum..? and then he also got the extra life by someone who was scumread by my townread. curious.

[GenetiXientist]

GenetiX: In light of Mirdini's death, what are one/two reasons you feel the coven might have chosen him over Sotek or Tea , whom I feel are 2 of the biggest town leaders currently. [obv. cant kill Prime since hes the lover]. This is what I get for posting this late

Mechanics and damage potential, presumably.

Aside from Tea not really being a leader, he's one of 3 roles, and, based on behavior, probably the king (He's claimed this, I believe.) The king is vanilla once the court is created, and his death serves no use for scum, especially given that Tea isn't the most helpful member of the town.

Sotek is more interesting. His behavior and general demeanor strongly indicate that he's town, but he's not confirmed (Tea is pretty much confirmed.) He may be left alive for wining purposes, but it's more likely he's still among the living due to his judge claim, which is honestly one of the weaker townroles in a game as active as this.

Dini was most likely killed because his role was almost certainly more detrimental to scum than the judge or the king (thus, the mechanical reason why they didn't kill sotek or tea,) and they wished to kill a town leader.

Of course, Sotek might be playing the scum game of his life, Tea might be a scum duke/queen, and this argument might be meaningless, but I'm pretty sure that I'm correct.

[Laset]

Sotek: You asked everyone some really good questions, but I am also interested in your thoughts as well. Who are your top two scumb reads, and what is your opinion on Crilly & jwlk.

I will not name my current #1 scumread until all questions are answered! (or at least most of them.)
My current #2 is uh. probably you for that heavy-duty buddying there right now!

Crilly and jwlk are both in a "vaguely townish when they post but don't post enough" spot that a decent chunk of the game is in?

[curiousCat]

Cat: If I asked you to try to guess at who is and is not in the coven, who would you list as your top four strongest coven-related reads, in order? (either "in coven" or "not in coven".) I am not asking why!

I am assuming Prime is off-limits for this.

Bean Laset Tea ... anacreon.

[Laset]

I am assuming Prime is off-limits for this.

Bean Laset Tea ... anacreon.

yeah prime is offlimits.
and I am also asking WHICH! just. not why. :v

[anacreon]

anacreon: What was your opinion of Deceptive, and what IS your opinion of jwlk and Geneti?

Deceptive- I honestly dont know. Alot of his posts just look like filler to me before he died. Although honestly I think giving tea the life would have been better or rather would have been more pro town. That is assuming Deceptive was town. Giving the life to Geneti does make me suspicious of him though.

jwlk - i am getting a null read on due to his newbderps. Also kind of been absent lately like me.

[KaiDASH]

KaiDASH: What're your opinions of Geneti, Rubisco, and Stiq?

Before the para->deceptive lynch I had a slight townread on Geneti, but I had a mild scumread on Deceptive. Deceptive giving +life to Geneti over confirmed town Tea and Prime makes Geneti inherit my Deceptive read.

Rubisco is a new guy whose saying new guy things, complete with minor mechanics errors. It feels like he's not being coached at all, so I have a small town read here.

Stiq is still super crazy jumpy around guy, and between his questions and attempted derailment during d2 I think he's somewhat scummy.

[Fortuna]

Fortuna: Who is your "least conventional" townread?

...
Cat.
Who's yours?

@Chumpy: RE: reads: I have no idea why our votes differ if we have similar reads, hmm. Hit me up with Ixta/Rubi/jwlk? Who would you want to lynch if I told you one of them was a Witch?

Cat - Do you think Deceptive was a Witch?

Eidolonic - What do you think about Crilly's read-wall? Pick two reads (besides the one on you) you disagree with.

Rubisco - Would you be willing to Martyr for Oz? If not, why?

Ixta - Imagine you're the Vig. Do you think you have a high chance of activating tonight? Who do you think would have to be lynched for that to happen? (and please don't answer "Prime").

anacreon - You haven't done my task from D2. Your reads on all three of Sotek picks people are basically "null". Do you have a scumlist then?

Valldor - First off, sorry, I had one of GX's posts noted as Acio's, that's why I thought they had more interactions. Anyway.

GenetiX: Honestly thought that he is a witch, most likely a junior. His fued with Mirdini on day 1 made me feel it was a ploy to waste time. However Deceptive, who i had a decent town read from, gave him his life. Still a tad suspicious, but feeling more town.

Could you explain the bolded part to me please?

I'll add the rest of the questions when I'm not dead tired. Cheers.

[curiousCat]

yeah prime is offlimits.
and I am also asking WHICH! just. not why. :v

If you need me to explain which two are townreads and which two are covenreads

Cat - Do you think Deceptive was a Witch?

I think he was a jw.

[Rubisco]

Rubisco - Would you be willing to Martyr for Oz? If not, why?

I wouldn't be willing to Martyr for anyone unless I was >90% that they were town, i.e. on my team. That includes only a couple of people, and Oz is not one. All theoretical anyways; I'm not the Martyr.

[Valldor]

My current #2 is uh. probably you for that heavy-duty buddying there right now!

Sorry, I just got really excited to finally be asked a question! I feel I respond better to direct situations.

Could you explain the bolded part to me please?

I was getting a town read from deceptive because on day 1 he acknowledged the fact that his posts were mostly skimming and fluff. Also I am not sure how busy he ACTUALLY was, but he did state his posts would be infrequent (and they were). Usually if you are a witch you do not acknowledge this fact and try and slip it by anyone who is not paying attention. This coupled with trying to remain relatively uninteresting makes me think he might have had a role that triggers at game half, like thief or hunter (dosent prove hes town but just more speculation i had on him)

[Valldor]

Also hurray! seems like i got my avatar to work.

[Valldor]

Also just to specify in my last post: My role speculation on Deceptive was in the past tense, as when he died he clearly got revealed as the B.O.D. Should have mentioned that in the post, but I am eating lunch so kind of rushed this out, sorry.

[Chocolate Pi]

Public service announcement:

The watch-list on your notes page is a great place to save those scum-reads! More importantly, in the event that the Sunlight Pagan is revealed the Night you meet an untimely end, you will kill a target based on this list!

Over half the currently living players do not have any watch-list entries selected. So uh, you might want to do that unless you just feel really pacifistic.

PRE-WRITTEN MOD NOTE: This message is pre-planned. This will be neither a clarification of whether the Sunlight Pagan is alive or dead. I will post this when 20 players are left alive, if the Sunlight Pagan has not revealed and some players have not used their watch-list.

(Note that I cheated and posted this early--at 21. *modkills self*)

[Ixtaccihuatl]

Ixta - Imagine you're the Vig. Do you think you have a high chance of activating tonight? Who do you think would have to be lynched for that to happen? (and please don't answer "Prime").

I don't think there's much chance for Vig activation tonight if the Vig is town. Lynches in order thus far have been
1. Bean (survived)
2. Deceptive (Any clue on if he was town or not?)
3. Legendary Q (Court-ordered killing, probably a witch?)
Even if Deceptive was town, it seems unlikely that Q was, unless we really got screwed in court selection. I'd probably go with the idea of that being a scum-pauper play or something. However, considering that we had a day 1 king claim from Tea, I'd assume that Paranoid was town, since killing king before court creation would be awesome for witches. So perhaps this lends to the idea of a scumceptive. Now, if Vig is a witch, and Deceptive and Q were both witches, and we manage to lynch another one tonight, then we will see Vig activation.

Interestingly enough, your Prime comment implies that you think we have a town Vig and (possibly) 2 town players lynched. What makes you feel like deceptive and Q were both town?

[StiqFigurMaster]

Sorry I took so long. I've had college to deal with and I really wanted to think hard about that question.

WITHOUT FURTHER ADO

TOP THREE SCUMREADS? I'M GONNA SAY...

Ixta because lurk, tunneling, and because I have an unconfirmed hunch that she's buddied scum. General bad feelings.

KaiDASH because I have barely noticed him this game but when he has spoken I've gotten a bad vibe from his posts, sort of like he's spent a large amount of time thinking up something to say and then phoning it in, I guess? It sounds rehearsed to me, somehow.

OZ because... well, truthfully because I'm running out of people who stand out exceptionally against the backdrop of their fellow players in the scuminess department. I'm not gonna lie? He's kind of on here because people keep wanting to kill him even though I haven't quite figured out why yet, but I know he has a long history over sliding by unnoticed. I see absolutely nothing wrong with questioning him and seeing where it goes.

Questions
Ixta: It's down to you, GX, Sotek, Oz, and Crilly. You have two chances to hit the one scum still in play, and a misfire could endanger town. Who do you shoot the first night? Would your answer change if one of GX or Crilly were nightkilled?

KaiDASH: You can turn back time in order to attempt to prevent a single lynch. Let's assume for the sake of argument that if you try to tell people what happens in the future nobody will believe you. How far back would you go and why do you think we shouldn't have lynched that person (or alternatively, who we should have lynched first)?

Oz: Who do you want to be confirmed as town the most and why? Who do you think is the most likely to ACTUALLY be town?

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Honorable mention: Bean who doesn't count because he's on death row anyway.

Bean: Why did you think that was even remotely a good idea?

I think those questions provided should be elucidating.

[StiqFigurMaster]

EDIT: Wow, ironic I put so much thought into this and I still end up with a typo.

Derp.

Ix: To clarify, let's say this ability is a daykill. Also, I want to know, first who you would shoot, and then who you would shoot if that person wasn't the final scum, and finally how would your second answer change if one of those two people was nightkilled.

KaiDASH: The idea that nobody would believe you might seem irrelevant to the question, but I want you to keep in mind that just because you're going back to try and change things doesn't mean that you would necessarily succeed. This is both a question about your reads and about your tactical ability. Answer in as much detail as possible.

Oz: Carry on.

[StiqFigurMaster]

EDIT: Wow, ironic I put so much thought into this and I still end up with a typo.

Derp.

Ix: To clarify, let's say this ability is a daykill. Also, I want to know, first who you would shoot, and then who you would shoot if that person wasn't the final scum, and finally how would your second answer change if one of those two people was nightkilled.

KaiDASH: The idea that nobody would believe you might seem irrelevant to the question, but I want you to keep in mind that just because you're going back to try and change things doesn't mean that you would necessarily succeed. This is both a question about your reads and about your tactical ability. Answer in as much detail as possible.

Oz: Carry on.