~/* Witchhunt Test Game 3 *\~ Game Over! (Thank you for Playing)

[Laset]

That aside, I have to say I find something extremely odd. Laset jumps around on people like a monkey on crack. . I don't claim to know him, and he seems to be a regular here, but generally when I see that sort of behavior, it makes me suspicious. So I'm going to Vote: Laset.
Until someone (preferably himself) can explain just what he's doing, the vote will be staying there unless I find something else that is worse. Also, don't get me wrong I can see applying pressure, but from what I see, all he is doing is saying "this person is scum" And "nope, not convinced" Without... trying to get anything. Like just trying to watch them squirm

Well, uh, I question the "jumping around like a monkey on crack" thing, given my grand total of two votes.
So dubious look at you right now.
But aside from that - YEP. You have a relatively accurate description of my behavior.
But that's because look at the context. We had no info and were throwing random votes. Then I jump on prime and in a way that looks shady. And what happens?
People follow me. Some of them follow well, and some of them follow like blind sheeping, with no reason to believe me town at this point in the game.
Meanwhile, Prime actually handles the votes well.

So ... I conclude Prime is probably town for a couple reasons, and instead switch to Eidolonic - who followed me on Prime and scummed it up and so on.
And lo and behold - people DON'T follow me nearly as quickly.

So when I look at Prime's squirming, I see townish behavior (although he IS still Prime @_@) but when I look at Eidolonic's squirming, I see scum.

This is generally how I work - I poke for reactions and don't explain what I'm doing at the time, because explaining it spoils the point. And sometimes I have info and can use that to help me, and sometimes I don't, and am flying blind by the seat of my pants.

Also, someone I am familiar with, Eidolonic. He threw a vote early on at Prime (first serious vote, at least), and took it off just as quick. This is after saying it was serving more of a purpose staying on Prime than it was off him. It seems since everyone started voting him, he got panicked and nervous, and was backpedaling, trying to get people to get away from him. After trying to inflame the Prime BW, i think this is worth mentioning, and if I didn't have it set on me to vote Laset for finding out just WTF he is doing, i'd be voting Eido.

... and you seem to see what I saw in Eido, so ... looks like it worked for me

@jwlk: What the? No! No, no, no no no. Sotek (Laset?) is one of the people we absolutely DON'T want to lynch, especially not this early. Like even if you think he is a Witch, now isn't the time to get him (trust me if he's a Witch he's already doing massive damage to town in ways that Lynching him now won't solve). Beyond that he just has so much potential as Town that risking him on a hunch is simply NOT worth it.

wat

Sotek, your trustworthy Queen told you that you have an even number of Witches in your hypothetical Court. You picked Dini, Tea, Para and bbjobs. Your Duke is Acio. What would your next course of action be? Who do you think you'd have to swap to get and "odd" result?

Hmm. Even outta THAT bunch, huh. Probably one of Tea or bbobjs, if I had to guess two scum in that set. Four I don't see, 0 I could see but would be kinda skeptical of.

(I am not super-keen on Fortuna's questions but at least they're decent questions.)

I just want to say I am forever against Aci being on court. I was against it last time saying he'd just die N1. And what happened, he died N1.

And if I were playing that game over, I woulda picked him again.
I stand by that pick so hard.

I feel sotek did a good job last game and is a good standard for the King to follow this game. Now, the Court last game was a bit of a special case - lover Queen got her other lover into Court; a single JW being the only scum to get in and getting shot straight away and all the other wacky stuff going on, but the wide variety of playstyles and people that Sotek chose was pretty damned good. I also think he chose people who looked Town over Power players. In fact, Sotek, mind sharing what your thought process was last game?

Rule #1: They had to fucking be active.
Rule #2: They had to be fucking active.

Aside from that, my goal was to make my court a mix of powerplayers and long-lived townies. I picked Stiq because I knew for sure he was town but I also figured the witches would leave him alive for a while because he'd LOOK like an easy mislynch. I picked Acio because he looked like Towncio and I wanted that talking to me. I picked Deceptive because he's a mix of powerplayer and long-lived and I had a nice townread on him. I picked Ehrgeix because I had a super idiosyncratic townread that turned out poorly, but the general idea is one I stand by.

That is: If you have someone you are /sure/ is town and are also sure witches will believe they can get that person lynched? Pick 'em! Pick 'em so hard.
But get active players. And get a few power players. I'd go for 3-4 powerplayers and 3-4 under-the-radar types as targets. So look at the current composition of your court. If you've got Acio and Mirdini and you're Deceptive, well. maybe don't pick me. But if you're jwlk and have Genetixientist and Crilly on your court, maybe pick like me/acio/deceptive/mirdini or something.

ALSO: Make your queen and duke post /a lot/. Like make them post nonstop and give you reads constantly. Force them to say shit and help you pick but remember that until and unless they convince you they're town they could be scum and will try to stack the shit out of the court. Don't just mindlessly go with what they suggest.

And i also have my first real scummy feeling of the game! Vote: Deceptive. This is not townceptive!

wat

@bbobjs: Uh...? I don't see how getting jwlk lynched is the logical conclusion of your Sotek defense (I mean, maybe I kind of implied by the use of the word "chainsaw" if that's the case, my bad I guess, but still seems rather odd.) I find the word choice rather... interesting: "I think it'd be easy enough to make a strong case against jwlk and bus him right now."

I know going after Sotek is not productive, but I'm not sure your "act as a catalyst" actually provides much benefit when you're not clear from being in Sotek's hypothetical scum team in jwlk's eyes.

I think this is also a wat.


Anyway, I have a few scummish reads I would advise heavily against picking for court, but I don't think I need to worry about them? I just want to point out that I'm willing to bet we have at least one scum asking questions by now.
I'd be happy with Mirdini or Acio or Deceptive on the court, I would be wary of Prime and I would advise against Tea. He's scaring me :c

[Prime Intellect]

Why be wary of me?
What's not to love about this face :3

[A Killer Cuppa Tea]

Then I jump on prime and in a way that looks shady. And what happens?
People follow me. Some of them follow well, and some of them follow like blind sheeping, with no reason to believe me town at this point in the game.
Meanwhile, Prime actually handles the votes well.

So ... I conclude Prime is probably town for a couple reasons, and instead switch to Eidolonic - who followed me on Prime and scummed it up and so on.
And lo and behold - people DON'T follow me nearly as quickly.

I have a half formed thought here - which of the people who jumped quickly on Prime but not so quickly on Eidolonic do you think were scumbuddies with Eidolonic (if Eidolonic were to flip scum)?

[A Killer Cuppa Tea]

Wait, also, why am i scaring you O_o

[Laset]

I have a half formed thought here - which of the people who jumped quickly on Prime but not so quickly on Eidolonic do you think were scumbuddies with Eidolonic (if Eidolonic were to flip scum)?

... the implication would seem to be, uh.

you.

like wtf tea, look at what happened with votes.

anyway I think you're more likely town than scum but you are doing things you do to look townie. which makes me paranoid!

[A Killer Cuppa Tea]

... the implication would seem to be, uh.

you.

like wtf tea, look at what happened with votes.

anyway I think you're more likely town than scum but you are doing things you do to look townie. which makes me paranoid!

Wow, so apparently you me and Eidolonic were the only people on Prime. And i didnt follow you onto Eidolonic. Roflmao, i just realised that means i was accusing myself. I guess thats not a viable avenue then /shrug. Thought i was onto something there.

As for "doing things you do to look townie"...well i kinda am because i wanna get picked for court :P That said, i'm very liable to slip as scum if interrogated in the court [/shameless self plug].
...
Wait, are you accusing me of being "too townie to be town"?

[Laset]

As for "doing things you do to look townie"...well i kinda am because i wanna get picked for court :P That said, i'm very liable to slip as scum if interrogated in the court [/shameless self plug].
...
Wait, are you accusing me of being "too townie to be town"?

Rather than comment on this post, I'm just
going to
do what Acio said and let the lurkier types talk.

[Rubisco]

Dropping in to say I'm still alive.
-Honestly, I'd like to be on court, but I'm a noob so I'd probably be a bad choice.
-I'll probably vote to lynch someone if they reach a critical mass of votes.

[bbobjs]

@bbobjs: I'm not sure if you're intentionally ignoring the fact that not all witches share QTs or just missing it.

The prospect of a witch "buddying" on a POTENTIAL SPY Sotek to "defend" him from a single vote from a player who's obviously not going to generate the support they need is SO beyond crazy that I hadn't even stopped to consider that someone might wish to examine that as a remote possibility. That is some day 1 Leeroy self lynch bat shit never gunna happen stuff there sir.

[Prime Intellect]

Hahaha man that was a thing.

[KaiDASH]

bbobjs is acting similarly to how he was in sPH2, so I'm kind of ok with him. I can see where everyone else who hasn't played with him before is coming from though.

I'll answer tea's questions here too.

1) Why are you a good candidate for the Court?
I'm probably not going to be killed by any scum team ever for player related reasons, and I'd like to think that I'm hard to roleread! I have some ability to do good things as shown by last game so I wouldn't be a liability if I was on the court.

2) What are the qualities that a King should look for in a Court member?
Townyness and activity. If a player is more active, it's somewhat easier to spot them if they're scum.

3) Who would you recommend for the Court?
I have a slight townread on Deceptive. I like tea as well but I almost always like how tea plays so maybe that's of limited use

*4) Who would you most certainly not ant to be in court?
OztheWizard. What the hell! Softclaiming not-holy in your court 'pickmepickme' thing is just what. Also piggybacking off of mirdini's slight recommendation just makes me think all the wrong things about you (even if it does seem to be at least partly in jest).

So, lynch Ozthewizard

[jwlk]

~Snip

I was talking mostly about the WAY you voted for people :P. But okay I see now that its just how you play pretty much. Also.... thats a very interesting way to play, and it seems to work out.... So I can't really complain. But anyway, now that I see there is a reason , there is really no point in keeping my vote on you, since you addressed my concerns, so Rescind vote.

That pretty much brings me to my only other point of suspicion at this point, Eido. And I don't really want to hop onto the bandwagon, but he hasn't really posted anything (at all?) that would make me want to keep him around. The only other person i'm suspicious of is that one guy who just voted Eido for literally no reason (i'll look up his name after). People who just jump onto the highest bandwagon for no reason are always going to be suspicious in my book. With that said, I already discussed the reason why I am voting him previously, and until he addresses those, it'll stay on him. Vote Eidolonic

[Crilly]

-I'll probably vote to lynch someone if they reach a critical mass of votes.

I'd really don't have anything besides this to post (sorry but srsly guys only thing I have an opinion of is, like Stiq, GX makes him dislike him more with each post. Fo real.) but uh THIS IS A HUGE THING

[jwlk]

Out of Prime/Miridini, who would you rather see on the Court?

I'd rather see Miridini in the court rather than Prime right now. Miridini has been going all out, i'm pretty sure he's in the top 5 posters, and he's being extremely aggressive. If anyone, i'd rather have someone like that in the court, even if they are liable of dying. Just so I can get the full range of his thought process, and i'm sure he'll bring a lot to the discussion.

Uhh, also, something Miridini said. Its not that I was saying "don't pick the power players". I was just saying that, if you have a null-read on a power player, yet a strong town read on someone whose NOT a power player, I think it's correct to chose the strong town read. This is pretty much the opposite example you used, so I don't know if you're just ignoring it, or don't agree. (also, this has nothing to do with the fact that I want to be on court, and probably won't get on if its solely power players... not at all)

[Mirdini]

Uhh, also, something Miridini said. Its not that I was saying "don't pick the power players". I was just saying that, if you have a null-read on a power player, yet a strong town read on someone whose NOT a power player, I think it's correct to chose the strong town read. This is pretty much the opposite example you used, so I don't know if you're just ignoring it, or don't agree. (also, this has nothing to do with the fact that I want to be on court, and probably won't get on if its solely power players... not at all)

Well yeah I can agree with this don't think anyone would disagree.

Thing is if they're not an active player short of them outright claiming you're probably never going to have a strong town read on a person. As for active non-metapowerplayers yeah if you get a strong townread on 'em they're viable courtchoices. To compromise somewhat on my earlier stance I have to say Sotek's advice is pretty spot-on - I hadn't considered the "really towny guy that witches think they can get lynched so they won't bother shooting 'em" angle and it's a good one, if a bit finicky to get someone that fits those criteria just off of d1.

Rubisco is a thing, I think I can leave it at that because yeah I mean just yeah. Crilly is mrm for well I guess at least posting even if it isn't much. GX I like even less for apparently saying I need to contribute more when as I pointed out I've (at least I think here, someone correct me if I'm wrong) contributed more than at least 3/4ths of the players in this game? It feels like GX is rolling out criticism for the sake of looking like he's doing something rather than having any actual opinions or doing any actual scumhunting.

((Vote: GX harder))

[curiousCat]

Put me in the court put me in the court

Vote: GX

[GenetiXientist]

Dini, for fuck's sake, nak =/= contributing, and I'm not comparing you to other people. Contribute=give more content per post. And stop tunneling me, you seem to keep switching your reasons for voting me.

And if you're going by "I'm just rolling out criticism to look like I'm doing something," give me an example. Really, say why you think that.

Oh, and guess what, speculation about my reasoning for what I do is NOT a legitimate thing you can criticize me on. I have opinions, and it's sometimes not a good idea to give all of them.

And please define scumhunting, that term is way too vague.

[LegendaryQ]

I'm actually fine with Boobjokes talking since he's not someone I know much about





The thing is it's about seven people talking and I'm already highly familiar with all of them. This lot fighting amongst each other will tell me a few things but it'll also eat the day's focus with everyone else skirting the edges and not/unable/unwilling to comment on anything but

Or in short it'll end up being:

Yeah, I see that. Lurkers really are a catch-22 in this scenario. (aka in any scenario) If the active people quiet down so lurkers can talk, the lurkers might not talk and nothing will get done. But, if the active people keep on talking, they'll cover literally everything and not have much left to talk about.

[Fortuna]

RIP WH3.

Sotek, you get a gold star for your Court advice post, I have some questions about your reads tho.

Hmm. Even outta THAT bunch, huh. Probably one of Tea or bbobjs, if I had to guess two scum in that set. Four I don't see, 0 I could see but would be kinda skeptical of.

(I am not super-keen on Fortuna's questions but at least they're decent questions.)

Thanks, I try. I kinda wanted to get away from the RVS/meta clusterfuck to actual reads and reactions.

So, Prime ranks above Tea on your list? Even now? Because they are switched in my reads. Tea seems towny enough, has questions, answers is active, pressures; Prime is ... I have no clue. Co-aligned with you? I think I'll read you as a pair, since you seem to be more aware of what's going on with him.

Dini is active, has ideas, pressures. He wants Cat on Court, really?
And what's this?

Crilly is mrm

Acio is coming down on lurkers and is voting for Bean. I can get behind that. Bean makes me sad, cause he hasn't shown up yet and I was being real nice to him.

[LegendaryQ]

Dropping in to say I'm still alive.
-Honestly, I'd like to be on court, but I'm a noob so I'd probably be a bad choice.
-I'll probably vote to lynch someone if they reach a critical mass of votes.

Could you answer Tea's questions early in the game? And any significant reads you have?

ALSO:
-I'll probably vote to lynch someone if they reach a critical mass of votes.




what.

Anyhow, I'm thinking about voting either Rubisco or Eidolonic. Haven't decided yet, though it'll be Eidolonic if he doesn't talk again soon. Oh I've got an idea. Rubisco, how do you feel about Eidolonic? Eidolonic, how do feel about Rubisco?

Looking at GX's posts, I would say right now he fits more "angry town read that I wouldn't mind lynching d2." Come to think of it, I have a lot of reads that are "wanna see how they turn out d2."

[Arkaal]

-I'll probably vote to lynch someone if they reach a critical mass of votes.

Whaaat. No. Go vote somebody now, not when it doesn't matter! Like this: Lynch Rubisco!

[Fortuna]

@Arkaal: I put a note next to his name. It says: yd12k.
What do you think?

[OzTheWizard]

@Kai: ... partly in jest? I'm pretty much misquoting him (and lampshading the fact that I was misquoting him,) I fail to see how anyone actually paying attention would assume that was not the epitome of jest.

@Rubisco: I'm going to agree with Crilly here, that's scummy as hell. You don't vote for people with the most votes, you vote for people you think are Scum. (Also, Crilly is scumhunting...?)

General question: is Rusbisco a newbie?

@bbobjs: You're playing the "that's unlikely" defense? Really?? It's D1 and I'm not familiar with your play style, of course I'm going to consider every single possibility (heck, sometimes I do that even when I definitely shouldn't) and I don't see how handing out that wine is supposed to convince me of discarding that one. Here's a question: what's your current reads for aerinon, Sotek and Prime?

Hmm Red and Para not voting isn't cool. Why are you guys not voting?

[Arkaal]

@Arkaal: I put a note next to his name. It says: yd12k.
What do you think?

Hmmm. I... did not even think of that!

I guess the real question is: Does he have enough experience to know better? If so, then it's certainly possible!

[LegendaryQ]

@Kai: ... partly in jest? I'm pretty much misquoting him (and lampshading the fact that I was misquoting him,) I fail to see how anyone actually paying attention would assume that was not the epitome of jest.

@Rubisco: I'm going to agree with Crilly here, that's scummy as hell. You don't vote for people with the most votes, you vote for people you think are Scum. (Also, Crilly is scumhunting...?)

General question: is Rusbisco a newbie?

@bbobjs: You're playing the "that's unlikely" defense? Really?? It's D1 and I'm not familiar with your play style, of course I'm going to consider every single possibility (heck, sometimes I do that even when I definitely shouldn't) and I don't see how handing out that wine is supposed to convince me of discarding that one. Here's a question: what's your current reads for aerinon, Sotek and Prime?

Hmm Red and Para not voting isn't cool. Why are you guys not voting?

Given post count and him saying that he was in the first part of his post, I'd say yes. That's why I'm not voting him right now.