Choice Asspects and Class-y Discussion V2.0

[Delenance]

I don't know if anybody's mentioned this, but I am wholeheartedly convinced that Roxy will steal the Queen's ring and use it to help help her teammates. I don't think that any of the aspects or classes follow any universal guidelines in what exactly they do, only similarities that can be discerned through looking at things in a general sense. Let's take my example. Roxy is the Rouge of Void, as explained by UU to mean "one who steals x for the benefit of others". Void in my hypothesis for this case, is literal, in that she will take the actual Ring of Void and use it to help her team. However in the case of Equius's ancestor, which I imagine was an Heir of Void as well, where an Heir can be said to be "one who uses X to defend themselves/is defended by X", and Void is "nothingness or obfuscation of knowledge", Darkleer was able to keep the magic Cue Ball protected/hidden from Scratch through the 'dark spots' in Scratch's knowledge. This is all speculation though. But knowing Hussie's past workings, I like to think it is fairly accurate to what's actually gonna happen.

While I don't think that the A1 Zahhak was also an Heir of Void, I like the Roxy/ring theory. Mostly because their session is "void" because they didn't prototype anything. That makes the prototyping ring itself "void".

[Doc Scratch]

I may be able to help with the defining. I completely understand the two 'aspects' of the Aspect. And you've also helped nail down some of the ones I've been missing. Here's mine:

Breath: Air/Wind and Motion/Force/Motivation/etc.
Light: Knowledge and Sight (most of light can be conglomerated into knowledge as everything we see is an extension of knowledge, with the exception of pure luck)
Time: Time (hard to pin down a second aspect since Time and Space are extremely self-explanatory)
Space: Space (matter and velocity)
Mind: Knowledge/Thought/Logic (this is where it differs from light) and Choice(as well as the outcomes of one)
Heart: Soul/Heart(lives) and Love
Life: Extended Lifespan/Healing and Quality of Life(?)
Void: Nothing/Space between space and Secrets/Occult
Hope: Energy in both senses: Will and Power(as in hopey beams of death)
Doom: Death/Doom/Misfortune and Fate/Predetermination/Prophecies
Blood: Relations and I guess Sacrifice really could work
Rage: Anger/Destruction and Emotions (nailed this one IMO).

As for the opposites, I really wouldn't try to focus on those. If you look at each aspect at the right angle, it can be the opposite of every other aspect, as well as itself in some ways.

[Altum]

Fortune is explicitly a part of Light, with Rose's understanding of "fortune" being oriented around "fate" and Vriska's being oriented around "luck." If in fact there is any difference between those two things. We see this conflation also in Rose's description of how it's her ability to see the paths that will lead to success.

[Conspicuous]

I'm a bit saddened that Titles can only consist of one syllable.
Because I think that "Maestro" would be a totally rad title for Caliborn.

[hyetalHwyl]

Analyzing my own title like the egocentric person I am...

I took the Page of Hopes' quiz thing and got Maid of Mind, which I believe to fit fairly well. My only puzzlement is what exactly a Maid of Mind's abilities would be. Help?

[Professor Science]

Analyzing my own title like the egocentric person I am...

I took the Page of Hopes' quiz thing and got Maid of Mind, which I believe to fit fairly well. My only puzzlement is what exactly a Maid of Mind's abilities would be. Help?

Sadly we don't know too much about what Maid powers are. Most people (from what I've seen) think that a Maid either "protects themselves with (Aspect)" or "serves (Aspect)". For example, Aradia protected herself from Bec Noir with Time, while Jane's dream self revived after getting killed. Aradia also cleaned up a lot of doomed timelines by getting the Aradiabots into the Alpha timeline. Also we don't know much about what Mind powers are. Terezi could see what outcomes came from choices, but apart from "choices" its pretty much speculation. My guess? I reckon a Maid of Mind could protect herself with Mind powers. Maybe predicting an opponent's mind to evade attacks, or creating psychic barriers. I like the sound of that.

[The_Codfish]

Prediction seems to be an 'ability' reserved for Seers (as is "enhanced" Sight related to their Aspect). Mind seems to be about choice and volition. A Thief of Mind, perhaps, would be able to steal the choice of another; force them into a decision that would debilitate them while at the same time be advantageous for the Thief. A Prince of Mind could destroy someone's ability to choose (make it so that they cannot decide on what to do), or maybe literally destroy their minds (which would also destroy their ability to choose). Knights could be the 'tactician' with Mind as their Aspect, able to organize and command others efficiently in a fight. As for how their Godtier powers would work, I wouldn't really know.

[Ashendant]

Analyzing my own title like the egocentric person I am...

I took the Page of Hopes' quiz thing and got Maid of Mind, which I believe to fit fairly well. My only puzzlement is what exactly a Maid of Mind's abilities would be. Help?

I tried that too... Got the Prince of Time

[Delenance]

Analyzing my own title like the egocentric person I am...

I took the Page of Hopes' quiz thing and got Maid of Mind, which I believe to fit fairly well. My only puzzlement is what exactly a Maid of Mind's abilities would be. Help?

I believe that Maids "provide themselves with (aspect)" making them an active class. Jane gave herself life after she was killed, and Aradia gave herself time to escape from Jack. I honestly don't know how the mind aspect would apply to that. You would un derstand more about the way you thought, and your subconscious and such?

I got Maid of Rage, but I'm a guy. Then it was Sylph of rage, which didn't help. I'll just go with Page, I guess.

I'd say Pages are the passive counterpart of Maids, and they "provide others with (aspect)". Tavros tried to give Vriska breath again when she was dying, and Jake is destined to give people hope that LE can be destroyed. Which I guess means I'm just really annoying and I make everyone mad at stuff? Huh.

[The_Codfish]

The definition we have of Pages is that they're "full of untapped potential" and that "it's practically all there is to that class", just FYI. That doesn't actually say anything about their ability, just that they're capable of doing something great.

[Delenance]

Giving people breath and bringing them back to life even if they have no dreamself left seems pretty powerful to me.

[The_Codfish]

Suit yourself man.

[cardiacAtrophy]

I got Mage of Doom on that test, twice.

So I've pretty much accepted that I'm a shittier version of Sollux.

[awfulAlliteration]

I may be able to help with the defining. I completely understand the two 'aspects' of the Aspect. And you've also helped nail down some of the ones I've been missing. Here's mine:

Breath: Air/Wind and Motion/Force/Motivation/etc.
Light: Knowledge and Sight (most of light can be conglomerated into knowledge as everything we see is an extension of knowledge, with the exception of pure luck)
Time: Time (hard to pin down a second aspect since Time and Space are extremely self-explanatory)
Space: Space (matter and velocity)
Mind: Knowledge/Thought/Logic (this is where it differs from light) and Choice(as well as the outcomes of one)
Heart: Soul/Heart(lives) and Love
Life: Extended Lifespan/Healing and Quality of Life(?)
Void: Nothing/Space between space and Secrets/Occult
Hope: Energy in both senses: Will and Power(as in hopey beams of death)
Doom: Death/Doom/Misfortune and Fate/Predetermination/Prophecies
Blood: Relations and I guess Sacrifice really could work
Rage: Anger/Destruction and Emotions (nailed this one IMO).

As for the opposites, I really wouldn't try to focus on those. If you look at each aspect at the right angle, it can be the opposite of every other aspect, as well as itself in some ways.

I tried to include the opposite Aspects, since that was the whole reason I had started making the chart in the first place. But I agree. I just thought it was interesting how one's Aspect seemed to mean different things depending on whether you were a passive/active class. The one I had the most trouble with was Doom, since it can have so many other meanings.

[trulyElse]

I got Mage of Doom on that test, twice.

So I've pretty much accepted that I'm a shittier version of Sollux.

I know that feel.

[aquaticUberhaijin]

So I've done quite a few tests and I've come back with Prince of Life on multiple occasions and have accepted it and might even utilize it for a fan-character. But I run into this issue when pondering how the class would even work. We know definitely that a Prince is a destroyer of/through [aspect], and that so far Life has been shown only utilized via healer-type classes so it lends nothing to how the aspect might be utilized in an offensive manner beyond possibly what Eridan managed when he used his "white science" which has been alluded to as a physical manifestation of his Hope powers. So I'd like to possibly hear other opinions and theories on how a Prince of Life might function, to gain insight and possibly help me get an image in my head of where to take things with this huge question mark of a fan-character idea. Have at thee!

[cardiacAtrophy]

So I've done quite a few tests and I've come back with Prince of Life on multiple occasions and have accepted it and might even utilize it for a fan-character. But I run into this issue when pondering how the class would even work. We know definitely that a Prince is a destroyer of/through [aspect], and that so far Life has been shown only utilized via healer-type classes so it lends nothing to how the aspect might be utilized in an offensive manner beyond possibly what Eridan managed when he used his "white science" which has been alluded to as a physical manifestation of his Hope powers. So I'd like to possibly hear other opinions and theories on how a Prince of Life might function, to gain insight and possibly help me get an image in my head of where to take things with this huge question mark of a fan-character idea. Have at thee!

Destroying an affliction with life?

[aquaticUberhaijin]

All I can keep seeing in my head whenever I think of the title is some troll in pantaloons and a duck hood lunging at people screaming "I'm alive, so you die!" while circling him like zoidberg or something because his very existance and ability to keep breathing is lethal somehow. o_o

[cardiacAtrophy]

All I can keep seeing in my head whenever I think of the title is some troll in pantaloons and a duck hood lunging at people screaming "I'm alive, so you die!" while circling him like zoidberg or something because his very existance and ability to keep breathing is lethal somehow. o_o

Lol duck hood.

Funny what perspective can do to buttons on a hood, and a crown.

[Centimani]

Prince of Life? Hell, man. I'm picturing someone commanding Warhammer 40k Tyrranids into battle. Your land would be Catachan, more or less.

Destroy with life of destroy life: May as well do both at once.

[awfulAlliteration]

Prince of Life? Hell, man. I'm picturing someone commanding Warhammer 40k Tyrranids into battle. Your land would be Catachan, more or less.

Destroy with life of destroy life: May as well do both at once.

Seconded.

[The_Codfish]

Taking my best guess, maybe a Prince of Life could be just like one of my characters from the animoos; the ones who get more "pumped" up the more damaged they become. Kind of just burning up their lives to get stronger? Heh. Just going with my "Life = Growth" idea. Organisms either expend energy to grow, heal, or to move; so a Prince of Life could forgo letting themselves recover to fight harder.

[Druplesnubb]

Isn't it obvious? A Prince of Life can hurt and murder people by taking away their life powers. It doesn't get any more straightforwad than that. Light is about fortune rather than misfortune but Vriska can make people unlucky since her class is about taking from others to strengthen yourself. The Prince is kinda similar but without the "strengthening yourself" part and more focus on the "taking away" part.

[Varkarrus]

I'm imagining a prince of life to be a plant controller. Make vines grow, kill people with them.

[Delenance]

Wouldn't a prince of life just kill people?