Choice Asspects and Class-y Discussion V2.0

[Delenance]

Okay, I'm about to post a bargain crack theory here in this thread and when I'm done you can all dissect it and tell me how dumb it is, but here goes.

An idea I had a while ago is that Mages and Maids are an active/passive duo, as well as the polar opposites of the Prince/Bard pairing, in which Mages "create X" and Maids "allow X to be created".

Sollux (the Mage of Doom) created the Mobius Double Reacharound Virus that Karkat would later unwittingly open, cursing himself and everyone else in the session.

Aradia (the Maid of Time)'s actions during Hivebent allowed the Alpha timeline to progress, and she and her time clones have done things to buy time for others on multiple occasions (suppressing the Vast Glub during the fight with the Black King, fighting Jack when he first appeared in the Troll session, offering to slow him down for the group on the meteor, etc.)

Jane (the Maid of Life) is speculated to play a role in restoring life to LOCAH. On a more symbolic level, her session is believed to be the one in which the kids will finally succeed in breeding a Genesis Frog and creating a universe.

So, does this contain any sort of plausibility whatsoever?

I think this theory makes sense. However, I still go with the Mage/Seer pairing, where Seers provide others with knowledge of their aspect, whereas mages provide themselves with that knowledge.

UU: the rogUe and thief classes tend to be assigned to females. not exclUsively, bUt commonly!

So not all classes are strictly gendered. If there is a "commonly" female pair of classes, is there a male pair to balance it?
Maybe something weird like Heir/page. We just don't know enough about pages yet, and heirs don't seem to have specific powers.

[Doc Scratch]

Going back to the Seer of Breath, I'm sure a Seer of Breath would have to ability to see everything unfolding at the time (big picture AND details), as well as know what needs to happen when, like an intuitive sense of the flow of things. The Seer of Breath would also be able to know where things will go, being a master of chaos theory, as well as know the current weather patterns or other forces and use them to minimize resistance, making for a smoother timeline. On top of that, a Seer of Breath would be among the most creative and spontaneous, thinking of the most resourceful and effective methods of accomplishing things since chaos theory is no longer an obstacle. I would say, among the most versatile classes.

[Sightedjt]

Going back to the Seer of Breath, I'm sure a Seer of Breath would have to ability to see everything unfolding at the time (big picture AND details), as well as know what needs to happen when, like an intuitive sense of the flow of things. The Seer of Breath would also be able to know where things will go, being a master of chaos theory, as well as know the current weather patterns or other forces and use them to minimize resistance, making for a smoother timeline. On top of that, a Seer of Breath would be among the most creative and spontaneous, thinking of the most resourceful and effective methods of accomplishing things since chaos theory is no longer an obstacle. I would say, among the most versatile classes.

Id think that the intuitive knowledge would be a mage of breath thing, as seers have tended to actively search for things to prevent doomed timelines while mages have tended to have uncontrollable visions.
so, a seer of breath would scry to see where things would be/ events in the future, so they might see someone getting stabbed somewhere, and tell them to avoid going there or warn them so theydd be o their guard, but they wouldnt know when it would happen.
While a mage would have some knowledge of events, brought on by whispers from the wind, telling them about important things relating to events.

[mrfatcat]

I think this theory makes sense. However, I still go with the Mage/Seer pairing, where Seers provide others with knowledge of their aspect, whereas mages provide themselves with that knowledge.


So not all classes are strictly gendered. If there is a "commonly" female pair of classes, is there a male pair to balance it?
Maybe something weird like Heir/page. We just don't know enough about pages yet, and heirs don't seem to have specific powers.

I would say that 'male inclined' is Knight/Mage, of course I doubt there's truly any male or female exclusive class because Sburb thrives on exceptions to the rule, which means that there are definitely female Bards/Princes somewhere out there in one way or another.

[cardiacAtrophy]

I would say that 'male inclined' is Knight/Mage, of course I doubt there's truly any male or female exclusive class because Sburb thrives on exceptions to the rule, which means that there are definitely female Bards/Princes somewhere out there in one way or another.

Available evidence suggests the opposite.

[awfulAlliteration]

Available evidence suggests the opposite.

We've only seen, like, three sessions. And all of them have been very unusual. I wouldn't use them as a good basis for any definition of the "Rules" of Sburb.

[Legendary]

A character said no girls are bards or princes, and that no boys were muses. All things considered, she is very likely to be right.

[Greyscale]

And that character likely gained all her information from a book written by a Seer with a multitude sources of information, one of which is possibly a ghost who is billions of years old.

It would be totally redundant to have "gender-bias" and "gender-exclusive" if everything was actually "gender-bias" anyway.

[Varkarrus]

I wonder if any of the characters are on the opposite end of a gender bias? like most heirs are girls or something

[Doc Scratch]

Their's a reason an Heir is not an Heiress. Gender biased may be for those Classes that aren't exactly gender specific. I'm sure Witch is female exclusive.

[awfulAlliteration]

And obviously Maid is as well. Admittedly though, John would make a pretty Maid of Breath.

But honestly, when you think about it, with the exceptions of Thief and Rogue, most of the other Classes have names that denote gender exclusivity. Prince, Sylph, Page, etc, etc...

[The_Unoriginal]

Their's a reason an Heir is not an Heiress. Gender biased may be for those Classes that aren't exactly gender specific. I'm sure Witch is female exclusive.

Men have been accused of being witches before. To be fair, the system at the time was faulty, so there's a good chance none of them actually were. So, we're back where we started with that.

In other news: Might a class determine how much of the aspect you have? A Prince seems to have very little of theirs. The one Bard we've seen tends to have either none or an insane amount of theirs, though this could be due to the spontaneous nature of the Bard class. Seers seem to have a good amount of their aspect in comparison. Note that this more or less entirely hinges on what the meaning of the aspects are when applied to ones self.

[trulyElse]

In other news: Might a class determine how much of the aspect you have? A Prince seems to have very little of theirs.

Actually, looking at it, I'm pretty sure Eridan started off with a lot of Hope. He was willing to believe Kanaya when she said that Feferi was red for him, despite her refusing to give over any "evidence" to support her claim. Because of this hope, he inadvertently destroyed himself.

[Varkarrus]

He destroyed someone with hope
he had hope and was destroyed :P

[Atomic Kitty]

I wonder if a Thief of Life has particular powers that manifested way before entering the game. Like plants mysteriously dying when Meenah is around. Wherever she goes, vegetation can't grow, which makes her very "witch-y", as evil witches are surrounded by dead flora. Later, Meenah would suck others' life to extend her lifespan. I wonder if it would serve her in the Dream Bubbles ? *sceptical*

[Sightedjt]

I wonder if a Thief of Life has particular powers that manifested way before entering the game. Like plants mysteriously dying when Meenah is around. Wherever she goes, vegetation can't grow, which makes her very "witch-y", as evil witches are surrounded by dead flora. Later, Meenah would suck others' life to extend her lifespan. I wonder if it would serve her in the Dream Bubbles ? *sceptical*

Not really, as Aranea said that she'd been waiting millenia for her to arrive in the bubbles.
And the thief of life thing might have been say, she people took longer to heal around her, and she healed faster. So not as drastic as death surrounding her.
a prince or bard of life might have the aura of death though.

[Doc Scratch]

If Eridan destroyed himself with hope...he's is by far the best Prince of Hope. After destroying his hope with hope, he goes on to destroy other's hopes and lives...with hope. All while hoping to avoid the brunt of a hopeless situation, which he inadvertently jumped right in to.

[Atomic Kitty]

a prince or bard of life might have the aura of death though.

The point is you can steal life unconsciously, somehow. And that's what Meenah did by killing everyone before the scratch wipes them out. Though a Prince of Life would've been more accurate. He would've been a suicidal serial killer.

We can conclude Eridan fully masters his aspect, then.

[Sightedjt]

The point is you can steal life unconsciously, somehow. And that's what Meenah did by killing everyone before the scratch wipes them out. Though a Prince of Life would've been more accurate. He would've been a suicidal serial killer.

We can conclude Eridan fully masters his aspect, then.

But is it stealing if its for their benefit?
She more stole their choice.
Im wondering though, mages tend to have uncontrollable knowledge relating to their aspect.
So, What would a mage of space get after god tier?
As knowledge of space could be quite a broad term.
It all depends on what space refers to. As If space refers to the medium, would they gain an understanding of how the laws that govern the medium work?
As that could be very OP given the fact that playing a magicy class with godly power could let the player alter said laws.

[d2r123]

Princes seem to start with far more of their aspect then they need. So do pages. However, pages don't have any useful aplications for their power until very late and princes have many useful aplications but burn themselfs out eventualy.

Theives seem to start out with little of their aspect, but we don't know enough about meenah to say much. Varisca definitly had "bad luck" prior to the game. I guess we could say that meenah has been dead since we saw her and was in a forced scratch session since befor. This would all mean that she manages to steal someone's life at some point. I suggest dirk.

Rouges are odd, but that's because the lolcat didn't make much sence or have any really clear powers from what I could see. Roxy, on the other hand, seems to be tossing her power around all the time. She started out drunk. I count that as a void of knowlege, sort of. When she became less drunk, the session blacked out. As a void player, she seems to have STRONGness already. However, her powers seem to be growing as she gets farther away from her aspect. Should she god teir, I think she would be like a seer of knolege, exept she would block out other sorces of knowlege. She may lose her STRONG ability. This would explain why lolcat never showed any powers. It would be very diffecult be become less yourself. However, she will become powerful when tossed in a sprite with whoever. The question becomes, what powers are opposite to self and what would the radiation of self powers look like? I still think blood and self are oposite.



A prince of life would doom all living things in a session. With such a clear cut overlaping of goals, I susspect he would die very early. As such, he would be the last player on his home world and would trigger then end of the world using the first guardian in a way that causes him to die along with his computer, equipment, and everything else. His dream self would not last long after this, but would rush to a moon questbed and manage to die there as a direct result of first guardian fire. At the exact same time as god teiring, the sprite, which had already eaten the guardian, would eat the realself. The realself would not be a god teiring though the dreamself would be and the game would detect an enigma. The result would be a huge green explotion on the moon and on skyaia, where everyone else would be. The prince of life would have destroyed everything by comeing back to life.

The bard of life would not provide 100% doom, but would supply a number of diffilut to destroy beasts. I susspect he would prototype a bomb or something, and many of the imps would die. Because he exists, things would keep bringing dead things back and and also killing living things by way of them tripping on his trash and down pits of lava. They would also get the sniffles from him or something. On god teir, dead and alive would mean very little for the things around him and lives wouldn't last long. He would bring quite a few beta timeline players into the alfa timeline to.

[awfulAlliteration]

On the Thief of Life discussion, I sort of covered that in my vast exposition I made. My theory is that Meenah, or at least her post-Scratch counterpart in the Condesce, literally steals peoples' lives - she turns her entire race into an army, therefore effectively robbing them of having actual lives. She takes this further with the Ψiioniic, actually using him as a living engine. After all of this, she becomes the horrific monarch of Earth - robbing yet another species of their lives, quite literally this time as she drives the human race to extinction.

[The_Unoriginal]

Thieves seem to start out with little of their aspect, but we don't know enough about Meenah to say much.

She ran away to the moon, thereby being unable to "have a life."

[Legendary]

This would explain why lolcat never showed any powers. It would be very diffecult be become less yourself.

I find these two sentences hilarious in conjunction. Her name is Nepeta, and by failing to call her that and focus only on her fakey fake fairy furry personality, you have captured exactly what it is about Nepeta that's important: When we met her she was only the joke. As time went on the roleplaying becomes less apparent and her focus on her interactions with Equius and Karkat take her admittedly dim spotlight. She started out with lots of selves, and was boiled down to only one, while everyone else got more "self" to focus on themselves.

[d2r123]

That's a tough one. However, I feal like I can just dismis it because what you are talking about is our idea of her identity, not her actual identity.

In the case of dirk, who we have plenty of "self" information tied down for, self is a far more literal and physical matter. He is actualy creating new selfs and new ideas for what self even means, but he isn't developing mpd or anything. He isn't spliting his personality, he is spliting his real self into many copies. What you are talking about is our opinion about what kind of person she is. She knew who she was. That has yet to come into question. Even if she had had some sort of identiy crisis, she has never had anything so bad that she could ask, "am I still Nepita?" That's coming up.

Also, it seems a bit iffy to atribute a natural effect of time in a story, in this case the fleshing out of charactures, to a super power.

[StarGaze]

I think thief of life would steal exact amount of enemies health bar to replace her own. Prince of life would attack sacrificing his health bar. The more he sacrifices, the more damage he deals.