Choice Asspects and Class-y Discussion V2.0

[Ranter]

As I've just said, they all have to do with wind.
If you think about it.
Except for Earth, which, as I said, is taken care of with Space.

[Kane]

I like the idea of Doom being the opposite of Life.

Oh hussie, you challenge our theories so hard.

[Vanymstorm]

I like the idea of Doom being the opposite of Life.

Oh hussie, you challenge our theories so hard.

I like the idea of there not being "opposite" aspects. So sue me.

[Kane]

I like the idea of there not being "opposite" aspects. So sue me.

I might take you up on that offer.

[Nameless1]

Maybe John will be able to control other elements when we see him next. After all, he is supposed to be able to "put out the fire" as well as "fan the flames". What is water vapor but gas? What is fire but heat?

I've said it before, but Space could technically count as the earth element.

Haven't we already seen that with his flaming tornadoes in Cascade, yes tornado still implies wind, but there was definitely some fire control in there (it may even be using wind to control the other elements, in theory it could do that.

[brocoli]

I don't think Doom and Life are complete opposites, UU just mentioned that they're completely different, which makes sense.

I'd translate "Doom" as "Ultimate Demise" with some Destiny conotations.


If you consider Doom as being this though, and if you assume that Doom is the straight opposite of Life, then Life is the "maintenance of life" which makes some sense.

[tanquerayChampion]

I like the idea of Doom referring not to death or any decidedly bad outcome, as the word is used nowadays, but to the concept of judgment, as the word was originally used. So a Prince of Doom, for instance, would have the ability to destroy judgments--perhaps that manifests as a "reroll" property, or a "screw destiny" ability (able interact with Paradox Space in ways that other players can't?), or maybe some form of mind control (i.e. destroying a judgment by directly changing it). A Seer of Doom would have particular insight into when and why big decisions have to be made, and the outcomes of them (similar to a Seer of Mind, but distinct in that a. the Seer of Doom does not get the insight into psychology, and b. this can extend to decisions that don't involve the actions of other living creatures).

I dunno. It's an idea I just had that I haven't had time to flesh out fully. I did think it was worth bringing up, though, because up to this point it has not been safe to assume that any given aspect is exactly what it sounds like.

I also understand that this interpretation does chuck out the bit where UU supposedly says Doom is the opposite of Life. What assurance do we have that UU knows everything about Doom, though?

[AnatidaeCollector]

I think Doom would be more like "really fucking bad luck that follows you until you die/being cursed" or maybe even kind of some sort of anti-Light aspect in a way.

Also, what would a Thief of Doom do? Take doom from their teammates and absorb it all?

[Majora787]

Either condemning force, or futility, or something. So a Thief of Doom would probably be a good thing.

[Nameless1]

Only in SBURB can Doom be a support aspect, thief of doom would basically be your typical RPG cleric, they bless the party, just in a very roundabout way.

[Wriggler needs a name]

Since they know Breath comprehensively, they completely know the physics of gases. They know atmospheres and which planets have them. They have a radar sense of sorts due to objects disrupting patterns in Breath. Basically they'd be omniscient but only in the present timeframe and as long as it has air.
Heirs would seem to benefit (passively?) from their Aspect before gaining full control, as in inheriting (control) of their aspect. They don't necessarily have to be protected, just serendipitously benefiting.

Think of that weird Green Sun backdrop First Guardians get, now color it blue. Instead of plasma it is now wind, done.

Control the amount of Blood (whatever that translates into) ratio in people. Passively benefit from Hope without control and then gaining full manipulation of Hope, Faith, Optimism.

Well, as I was ninja'ed Fraymotifs are derived from leitmotifs which are musical themes associated with a specific noun. Therefore, Fray referring to Strife and Motif referring to music, Fraymotif are musical themes associated with the Hero that gives them some Strife benefit. Probably tying into Earthbound as mentioned before. I imagine this also references a number of series involving Chosen Children and music and such.

Continued from the previous thread.

[Vanymstorm]

So, anybody keeping a "who's ripping off who" list?

[Velmen]

So, anybody keeping a "who's ripping off who" list?

Mind expounding upon your meaning? Contextually?

[Wriggler needs a name]

Are you referring to Hussie having original concepts that could have parallels drawn to different franchises thus bringing ambiguity on whether or not they are really original?

[Vanymstorm]

Mind expounding upon your meaning? Contextually?

Well people have a tendency to focus overly much on potential powers here, and...

(similar to this, not that I really want to draw any more parallels with Bionicle)

... Okay, break out the tarot decks and add Persona to the list of things we're cribbing off of in this here thread.

The Knight of Hope can grow drills out of nowhere.

[Velmen]

Well people have a tendency to focus overly much on potential powers here, and...

Ah-h-h. I see now. Can appreciate how that might impede discussion, or at least derail it somewhat.

[Vanymstorm]

Ah-h-h. I see now. Can appreciate how that might impede discussion, or at least derail it somewhat.

Actually, it's kinda fun. Though I take back what I said about Persona. The true Knight of Heart can only be Jean Pierre Polnareff.

No, really, think about it.

[ardentApathy]

Hmmm... here's a thought.

Life = Order.
Doom = Entropy.

What do you guys think? This would make Doom more focused on causing/creating/wielding Chaos, which I quite like. Whereas Life might have applications beyond just living beings.

[llamamiah]

Haven't we already seen that with his flaming tornadoes in Cascade, yes tornado still implies wind, but there was definitely some fire control in there (it may even be using wind to control the other elements, in theory it could do that.

I'm pretty sure that he was just using the windy thing to make tornadoes, which picked up the lava that was all around him. He didn't make the fire, he just made tornadoes directly over an ocean of lava.

[Nameless1]

Yes, I'm aware of that, it is however still control over the elements, if you think about it.

[Crowski]

So, a prince of doom.
Destroyer of Doom. That sounds hella helpful.
Mage of Breath sounds OP if i'm thinking of the correct mage. (Using their powers to fuck shit up.)
Seer of Space will be really helpful if you can actually look anywhere in your universe.
Knight or Heir of Rage also sounds pretty OP.

[cinereousSynesthete]

I would imagine a Seer of Space might be balanced by the fact that they don't necessarily have the power to look forward in time. So where Rose and Terezi can both look at future events, a Seer of Space might only be able to see whatever is currently happening anywhere in the incipisphere.

On the other hand, this sounds a little underpowered, because Rose alchemizes a crystal ball that basically has this function? so meh.

[Nameless1]

I'm of the opinion that that crystal ball was the item she crafted to help channel her powers as seer of light, personal theory though.

[Varkarrus]

If maids serve their allies with their aspect, Maid of Rap would be the most horrible case of TK-ing ever.
Serving their allies with RAP

[The_Codfish]

Jade alchemized her glasses with the Crystal Ball and it basically allowed her to do the same thing as Rose hands-free.

But the Crystal Ball only lets its user look at specific locations and can't 'zoom into' objects like Rose tried to with the cueball (though its possible that, even if she could, only a Hero of Light would actually be able to see what was inside the cueball anyway; what with how the insides of the cueball may actually contain "Void-like" characteristics). A Seer of Space would presumably be aware of everything around her simultaneously. She might even be able to navigate the Furthest Ring (Time and Space are needed to do so, plus she'd be a Seer as well, with whatever bonuses that would grant) as well as Rose (who could only do so because she knew what the "best" future was and not necessarily because she knew how to navigate it).