Choice Asspects and Class-y Discussion V2.0

[Ranter]

Welcome to the CACD thread! This is a theory space for what you think
each title or domain means to a character, but it has also been known to fall into LAND and DENIZEN speculation.
Here's a list of example topics to discuss!
- What do you think of UU's information?
- What class/aspect(s) is/are required for a successful session? E.g. the
Knight, the Hero of Space...
- What class/aspect do you feel is missing? E.g. The Knave of Writ
- What title would be worthless to have? E.g. The Seer of Void
- What do you think determines the sort of title a person gets?
- etc. etc.

I also noticed a lot of fans have chosen some
titles for themselves. (Page of Blood, Knight of Light, Waste
of Space, etc.)
-How did you get it?
-Who gave it to you?
-Does it fit you?
-What sort of responsibilities would a person with your title have? What sort of growth would the undergo?
-What do you think your powers would be once you could use them?
-How long do you think it would take to figure these things out?

Don't have your own title yet? Here are
some helpful links-
http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread...=1#post5523524
(Unsploiler everything in the post to get to the chart. ^^^)
http://miffthefox.info/mspa/landgen/#
(Random generator)
http://thepageofhopes.tumblr.com/pos...uck-title-test
(In depth personality test. WARNING: Was created before UU appeared. May be obsolete, results vary)
http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/w...ological_roles
(Mythological Roles Wiki)


No theory is too big! No post is too small.
No joke is too silly. No speculation is too deadpan.
Absolutely no quote is too old!
I want to hear what you think!

Go nuts!

Interesting essays:
pages 9, 11, and 13
Denizen speculation:
page 12

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Thread V1.0
R/A/T thread:

This thread was a combined effort between
plainWonder, Diffractor, and Ranter.
Kudos!
Diffractor's old thread (closed):
http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread...Powers-Be-Used
plainWonder's original post:
(contains an overview of all known classes and aspects, as well as the
people who have them)
http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread...10#post5930210

Navigation:
The information, discussion, and theories written in the first Mythological role thread were all carefully documented! Browse the first post in the RAT thread, seen above, to find a multitude of WELL-WRITTEN things on Passive/active/+/- roles, subjects recommended for Terezi and Vriska fans, SBURB world and plot, the Blood aspect, the types of people who get certain titles, and other Miscellaneous essays!

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Technically it's okay to shout "fire" in a theater, if someone lights a fire a minute later. I'M TALKING TO YOU HUSSIE. MAKE THIS THING WE'RE DOING OKAY!"

[Ranter]

yup.

[smashmaniac2008]

Begin discussion on FrayMotifs

[The_Unoriginal]

So I've been thinking, is there some sort of power that's shared by everybody with that aspect? We've seen both Time players travel through it, despite the fact that they have different roles. Might all heroes of Breath be able to do the windy thing? Perhaps everybody with the Rage aspect is capable of going berserker.

[brocoli]

Both Space players stoked the Forge and bred Frogs.

[Velmen]

Both Heroes of Light used their eyes in conjunction with their aspect.

[Ranter]

Right. I wouldn't say that there is a power that all Heroes of a certain aspect share, but there are responsibilities. Which is why it makes sense that your title would depend on your personality-- you would need a certain type of personality to be able to deal with certain responsibilities that identify with the aspect you recieve.

Time management is more a responsibility than a power, although it IS closely tied to the power time players receive. Although the two are close, though, even in the Time aspect the are distinctly separated. Dave's responsibility is in his turntables. His power is in his sword and fighting style.

This would be a good good place to point out how MANY responsibilities Dave has had to take care of. As Time hero he's had to die several times over and clean up every other players' mistakes, as Knight he had to frog duty. If there is a responsibility each for every class and aspect, I think it's safe to say that everyone but Dave neglected or failed theirs.

[Majora787]

Yeah, both sessions have been pretty fail-heavy on the responsibility front. Except for uhh... Rose, maybe. But I think it's safe to say everyone in the troll session failed or didn't do their job, and Jade failed. I don't really know with Rose and John.

So since Intermission 2 is probably going to start soon, I was wondering if maybe this means we will at some point get some exposition from Aradia on classes and aspects, certainly like Time? :P A tiny bit off topic, but maybe Aradia would actually be able to give some exposition herself past her half-definitions for the Knight and Seer.


EDIT: Actually on the topic of that. It's sort of weird, but maybe they were full definitions. The Knight exploits his aspect as a weapon, and his DUTY is to protect the party. And further along, the Seer understands their aspect comprehensively, and their DUTY is to use their knowledge to guide the party?

... I don't know though, the definition given for the Seer seems kind of lacking.

[Velmen]

Right. So, about the 'Maid' class. Going by what the narrative has shown via Aradia's actions, both pre and post ascension, I get the idea of a 'supports party/player(s)/others indirectly by debilitating or hindering obstacles/enemies/etc directly with their aspect, or via utilization of their aspect'.

Examples being:

1) Aradiabots (thousands of them) being necessary to dampen 'The Vast Glub' throughout the trolls Black King encounter, without which they would have been insta-gibbed by aforementioned Glub.

2) Doomed Aradiabots distracting & hindering Bec Noir from immediately executing his methodical extermination plan and from pursing the trolls from the get-go.

3) Her use of a 'Time Stop' on Noir immediately after ascension. (This could be contested)

4) Her soon to be shown hindering of Bec Noir within The Furthest Ring, to buy time for the Trolls, Rose, and Dave on the meteor.

Seems she's mostly used her powers to buy her allies time (BK; Noir's arrival; Noir in The Furthest Ring), or directly hinder their enemies (BK; using 'Time Stop' on Noir).

[Majora787]

IMO it could be a safe bet to say that the Maid is someone who "Serves their allies with x." Essentially. Maybe.

EDIT: I think the pages with Aradia's and UU's quotes should maybe be added to the front page?

[Fenolio]

Actually, i think Jade did her responsibilities as perfectly as could be done.
(If class and aspect responsibilities are actually a thing)

Heroes of space have tended to the forge.

Witches of X have both made alliances with otherwise hostile or neutral inhabitants of the game.
Feferi with the Horrorterror's.
Jade with Echidna.

And i think Dave has actually only died 4 times (not including Davesprite who became a seperate entity once he jumped into the kernel)
Doomed dave1 thanks to DD.
Doomed dave2 thanks to terezi.
AlphaDave thanks to Bec noir's greensun haxx.
DreamDave thanks to being at the epicenter of the birth of a sun.

The rest of the Daves were all enclosed loops performed by AlphaDave.

[Velmen]

IMO it could be a safe bet to say that the Maid is someone who "Serves their allies with x." Essentially. Maybe.

EDIT: I think the pages with Aradia's and UU's quotes should maybe be added to the front page?

Yeah, added two methods to how a Maid theoretically works since that seems to be the case for some of these Classes. Probably for all of them.

[Ranter]

Yeah, both sessions have been pretty fail-heavy on the responsibility front. Except for uhh... Rose, maybe. But I think it's safe to say everyone in the troll session failed or didn't do their job, and Jade failed. I don't really know with Rose and John.

Not true, all the trolls seemed to dutifully complete sidequests and take care of denizens and successfully create universes, as per their responsibilities, they just didn't do the whole personal growth thing very well.

Actually, i think Jade did her responsibilities as perfectly as could be done.
(If class and aspect responsibilities are actually a thing)

And i think Dave has actually only died 4 times (not including Davesprite who became a seperate entity once he jumped into the kernel)
Doomed dave1 thanks to DD.
Doomed dave2 thanks to terezi.
AlphaDave thanks to Bec noir's greensun haxx.
DreamDave thanks to being at the epicenter of the birth of a sun.

The rest of the Daves were all enclosed loops performed by AlphaDave.

Jade did her best, but it wasn't enough. She still failed, and the frog fell into the volcano, right?

The way Dave talks about his dead selves, I think we're supposed to assume some died off screen (although I could be wrong).
Also, you don't "die" if you godtier.

[Majora787]

Not true, all the trolls seemed to dutifully complete sidequests and take care of denizens and successfully create universes, as per their responsibilities, they just didn't do the whole personal growth thing very well.

As far as we know, only Tavros and Vriska did any sidequests... And we don't know what the "right" thing to do with Denizens is, because most never got their Choice; they just killed their denizens and moved on.

[Ranter]

As far as we know, only Tavros and Vriska did any sidequests... And we don't know what the "right" thing to do with Denizens is, because most never got their Choice; they just killed their denizens and moved on.

Not all of them. We know that Kanaya and Karkat completed their responsibilities because they managed to create a universe,
and Davesprite told us that the task with your denizen is:
1) to make a choice
2) to make peace between all the denizens.
So, yes. The denizen part, both the trolls and kids failed, but that seems to be a whole different thing for individual responsibilities.
It's more personal quest zone.

[Majora787]

Jade didn't fail. And I don't think Dave did either. As far as we know, Alpha John and Rose didn't interact with their denizens really though...

[Ranter]

On the other hand, Doomed!John seemed to get along with his denizen pretty well before it killed him.

[Stormspirit]

Not all of them. We know that Kanaya and Karkat completed their responsibilities because they managed to create a universe,
and Davesprite told us that the task with your denizen is:
1) to make a choice
2) to make peace between all the denizens.
So, yes. The denizen part, both the trolls and kids failed, but that seems to be a whole different thing for individual responsibilities.
It's more personal quest zone.

Um...did you forget that Karkat entirely failed his responsiblity by hurrying it up and screwing up the whole universe he was meant to create by setting them up with a cancer that would eventually kill them all ? Because he totally did. And we have no idea what was their Choice. They could have failed that, too.

Also, Jade didn't fail, she was killed before she could even react. That has nothing to do with her quest.

[Velmen]

Well, I don't believe the kids have yet to 'fail' their Denizen sidequests, as their Lands, unlike the Troll ones, are still intact and en route to the new Session.
It seems like they have plenty of opportunity to go back to LoWaS/LoLaR/LoHaC and meet with their denizens.

Jade probably fully completed hers, or barring that, finished most of her denizen's sidequest.

Who even knows about Dave's. Maybe it was indirectly completed by Davesprite. *shrug*

[Majora787]

Well, I think Doomed!John's choice was either to be killed or live in a doomed timeline. It was at least implied.

But I don't *think* Alpha!John actually interacted with Typheus, did he?

[Stormspirit]

Well, I think Doomed!John's choice was either to be killed or live in a doomed timeline. It was at least implied.

But I don't *think* Alpha!John actually interacted with Typheus, did he?

I think he might have mentioned talking with him during one of the pesterlogs. I don't remember which.

Also, I do believe Jade has fulfilled Echidna's request, which was to perform the Scratch and bring the Denizens and their consorts to the next session.

[Velmen]

Well, I think Doomed!John's choice was either to be killed or live in a doomed timeline. It was at least implied.

But I don't *think* Alpha!John actually interacted with Typheus, did he?

Nah, Alpha!John hasn't met with Typheus yet.

[Ranter]

Um...did you forget that Karkat entirely failed his responsiblity by hurrying it up and screwing up the whole universe he was meant to create by setting them up with a cancer that would eventually kill them all ? Because he totally did. And we have no idea what was their Choice. They could have failed that, too.

Also, Jade didn't fail, she was killed before she could even react. That has nothing to do with her quest.

It DIDN'T have anything to do with her quest.
Her quest maybe was to learn to use her powers or have personal growth of some sort. Maybe complete a couple of puzzles.
It had to do with her responsibility as a Space player...and...the universe tadpole died, whether she was to blame or not. (unless I'm remembering wrong).

You could say the same for Kanaya, honestly.
Was the matriorb her responsibility? Yes.
Was it destroyed? Yes.
Was it her fault? No.
Does that matter? No.

She still blames herself and still failed, even if she basically gave her life trying to succeed.
It doesn't matter. She was responsible.

[Stormspirit]

It DIDN'T have anything to do with her quest.
Her quest maybe was to learn to use her powers or have personal growth of some sort. Maybe complete a couple of puzzles.
It had to do with her responsibility as a Space player...and...the universe tadpole died, whether she was to blame or not. (unless I'm remembering wrong).

You could say the same for Kanaya, honestly.
Was the matriorb her responsibility? Yes.
Was it destroyed? Yes.
Was it her fault? No.
Does that matter? No.

She still blames herself and still failed, even if she basically gave her life trying to succeed.
It doesn't matter. She was responsible.

It's not that simple, unfortunately. We don't know if the Genesis Frog is dead. Jade doesn't blame herself for it, because she knows she still was able to create a new universe, somehow, and finish her side of the bargain. She also grew up during the adventure, even if some people don't really see it; she became much more affirmative and less bubbly-cutey, she always tried to manage linearity in the timelines, which might also be considered a part of her duty as a Space player, and she became much more accepting of reality. In Kanaya's case, she wasn't responsible, Eridan was. She blamed herself, just like someone might blame him or herself for an accident that wasn't really their fault. That doesn't make her responsible for the destruction of the Matriorb.

[The_Codfish]

Guys, honestly, your standards on what constitutes a failure and a success seems a bit skewed. Honest opinion here!