Vriska Quarantine 7: 3/8 Spidertrolls Introduced

[Dragonstorm]

My interpretation of the above panels...

Thing is, she does look a little upset but only in the second panel. Maybe she's upset because Terezi killed a troll for the first time. Note that it is implied that during their Scourge Sister years Vriska was the one who killed while Terezi orchestrated and manipulated to lead victims into Vriska's hands. She killed from afar, but this might be the first time Terezi got literal blood on her hands. Alternatively, she might be a little sad that her nemesis is finally dead. A quote is in order:

"...a huntress is nothing without the hunt..."

I mean seriously the person you have had a relative hatred for almost all your life is gone. She lost a budding caliginous lover. In that sense Terezi fucked up badly. But considering the alternative (her and Karkat dead) was there ever a choice? Paradox Space would have doomed anything else anyway.

Back to the topic. The other panels show nothing but indifference to me. In that sense, Terezi is still an ass in my mind.

I mean come on. Even Vriska cares for her and shows more emotion than her.

[Rikushadow5]

Vriska's also a passionate person, whereas Terezi's a guarded person who doesn't like showing emotions other than amusement.

Vriska plays with her cards open to anyone that asks to see them (and some that don't), while Terezi plays hers close to the chest.

Just because Terezi's not showing emotion doesn't mean it's not there.

[kmsumrall]

I think what we all want to see is an S] Breakdown wherein everyone gets hit by the enormity of the situations all at once and they all have a good cry and feelings jam.

[Rikushadow5]

I think what we all want to see is an S] Breakdown wherein everyone gets hit by the enormity of the situations all at once and they all have a good cry and feelings jam.

Feelings jam doesn't go well on toast, I've heard. Too salty.

[ArmsAreLoud]

I think what we all want to see is an S] Breakdown wherein everyone gets hit by the enormity of the situations all at once and they all have a good cry and feelings jam.

Instead we got everyone trying their best to tip-toe around the situation and pretend that they're still awesome and know their shit.

Well, except for Karkat.

[colwag]

Damnit I accidently found a way to appreciate Vriska's death even in my super baised way.

Only by making it a spot on comparison to Tavros' death. Tavros was proud, and did not listen to reason. (Even if reason was sorta stupid.) He was goaded into acting as well, but still made the stupid choice. Terezi/Vriska could have found a way to let the victim live, but chose not to. It's a fitting match I suppose.

As long as Terezi dies later due to her getting caught up in her pride too.

[kaoticAntagonist]

Jade and John seem to know their shit at least.

[ArmsAreLoud]

Funnily enough they weren't part of the idiots party. They were off on their own, being the only living characters I actually give a shit about.

[Dragonstorm]

I actually care for John and Jade more than I care for Rose and Dave.

Huh.

Actually come to think of it, it's mostly John. Who the hell doesn't love John.

[mysteriousOutsider]

shrug

He's okay.

[kaoticAntagonist]

Actually I should clarify.

Jade knows her shit, and John is smart enough to just follow her lead.

Because in Homestuck most of the guys are passive as hell.

Or crazy.

Or, in Karkats case, both.

[kmsumrall]

I'm alright with most characters. Briska is on top.

[Kuyan J]

@Dmatrix: Who can we NOT kill right now? Like, who still has something solid to give to the story?

I'll be disappointed if there are no beta kid & alpha kid meetups.

[Rikushadow5]

Actually I should clarify.

Jade knows her shit, and John is smart enough to just follow her lead.

Because in Homestuck most of the guys are passive as hell.

Or crazy.

Or, in Karkats case, both.

Well, it's explainable with the trolls. They're insects, remember? And in the bug world, who's on top? The ladies. The females are dominant in insect societies and situations. The male trolls are just used to it and roll along.

As for the human dudes...Dave and John are both smart enough to know not to try anything stupid when they've got perfectly competent (even if it took Rose a try or two to earn her competence sticker) planners in the girls. Dave's just doing his job and John knows he's a derp.

Meta Excuse: Hussie's like me and he likes his women like he hates his coffee: Strong. (Of course, I don't know how much Hussie likes coffee, so w/e. But you get my point)

I'm alright with most characters. Briska is on top.

>RS5: Resist the urge to make an inappropriate joke.

I can totally manage that.

[*Sigh*]

I'll be disappointed if there are no beta kid & alpha kid meetups.

I don't think this is a possibility seeing as how there's been multiple instances of people saying, "Yep, you're gonna see them!"

[Rikushadow5]

Hey guys. Guess what I found? More shit to fuel the "Heroic/Just/Not?" thing about Vriska's death.

TT: You mentioned immortality.
TT: Godhood makes one immortal?
Yes.
TT: A god tier will live forever, with no caveats?
No.
One will live forever, unless killed.
The death must be either heroic or just.
TT: How are those terms defined?
Broadly, mysteriously, and according to the case of the individual.
One may be killed by opposing a corrupt adversary and die for a just cause, as through martyrdom, for instance. This would be heroic.
Or one may be subject to corruption, and slain by a hero. This would be just.

So maybe Vriska got a Heroic death?

[WillSpark]

There's actually some good discussion in here!

Regarding Terezi's emotions, a topic I have some interest in, we really only have these panels to go on.

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My initial reading of these was "Terezi is shattered. Karkat comforts her."

Later I discovered that other people did not see it this way and I was like what that's crazy so I went back to look at the scene and realised... it's pretty ambiguous. I still read them the same way but I can also see that a perhaps equally valid interpretation is "Terezi is impassive. She sees Karkat and proceeds with sloppy makeouts. What a bitch." and some other variations in between.

I think considering everything that was actually said regarding her state of mind, it makes sense that she was upset. We know she didn't really want to kill Vriska, that was the whole point of the beta timeline. But still, it's not clear. One of the things I want more than anything in this story is an actual conversation where she discusses the incident. I NEED IT

I actually interpretted this whole thing from the Karkat perspective. Looking at Terezi, she seems almost ashamed to have Karkat see her there over Vriska's corpse like that. That look in the third panel looks to me almost like Noir with his ears back. It's like she let him down as a leader and friend by killing one of their teammates. It isn't about Vriska, but about him. Granted. It is a rather blank expression. That's just what I got.

Then with the hug, I always assumed Karkat instigated that (and also that it was a hug and not makeouts). He had just been told to go to the roof in Terezi's quirk clearly by Gamzee. He knew that Gamzee had her glasses the last time he had checked, and I bet he had assumed she was dead. When he came up to the roof and found her alive, I figured his first instinct was "THANK GOG YOU'RE ALIVE" and hugged her. I didn't think the hug itself had anything to do with her emotions involving Vriska or otherwise, but Karkat realizing she was okay.

[Crispiness]

Odd.

I also saw it as "Terezi is shattered. Karkat comforts her." In the second panel you can see a line above her eyebrow, making her look distressed (though I guess it could be her hair getting in the way--goddamn it Hussie). She's facing downward, looking at Vriska's corpse, concerned. She sees Karkat, her eyebrows are raised, relieved. Embrace.

[mysteriousOutsider]

I think the second panel is the clearest one. And it's not just the face, her head is down, her shoulders are raised... pretty clear to me.

I dunno.


but seriously

first panel isn't detailed enough, who knows what's going on there

second panel her face is obscured, you can't know for sure

third panel she is clearly surprised to see karkat for whatever reason, that could mean a lot of things

fourth panel... hugs can also mean a lot of things

This is a situation where I really say God Dammit Hussie

[Dmatix]

Something that might be interesting to consider is that Vriska's death might have been both heroic AND just. Heroic for dying in an attempt to go and fight a force most likely too great for her to handle, just for all the terrible things she did and the danger she was putting her companions in. What that means, I'm not sure.

We also don't know what happens if you put the body of a God-tier player on a quest bed. My guess is nothing, but who knows.

[radicalNinja]

I think Terezi's emotions in the panels were a really good choice, or if they were super sad and destroyed facials, both would work. It's the overwhelming significance of her Morals of Justice and protecting her friend while killing her enemy yet also long time friend, first time killing a troll and all this dramatic change for her. IF ANYTHING, she's so sad she cannot act or react, still taking it in.

As a Avid Vriska Fan, from my onslaught of posts in this OH SO LUCKY THREAD, I can defend Terezi, of whom you all hate a lot due to her hand in Vriska's death, BECAUSE I can empathize. I often imagine how I would react if I had to kill ANYONE, let alone someone with the Relationship Vriska Terezi had, and I'd probably feel the same, cold and empty with a extremely worn out face.

Notice her reaction to Karkat, almost null and just "huh? what's this? Oh sloppy make outs? nahhh...." just like, ghostly like emotions. THEN the sudden thrust into the fight with The Crazed Highblood, which I DID THINK HAPPEN TO SOON THUS HURTING VRISKA'S DEATH AND INCURRING ALL OF YOUR GUY'S HATRED, but yeah it pretty intense.

She HAS to be strong, to keep the teamwork going, she IS the Seer of the group and has much riding on her, like her whole personification also amplifies this as she's like the epic Lawyer/Detective, the one who must past judgement and do work for the greater good, BATMAN!!!

And I agree with whomever said Vriska on a meteor for 3 years would suck. Like Honestly, Screw that, Miss First to God Tier and get ALL OF THE LEVELS, should not just kick it there. ALSO she'd get SO jealous, and JOHN would be SUPER tempted to join their side. He already had to fight the urge drastically and kick it with Jade, but with Vriska, oh holy moly that would be intense.

[Rikushadow5]

Something that might be interesting to consider is that Vriska's death might have been both heroic AND just. Heroic for dying in an attempt to go and fight a force most likely too great for her to handle, just for all the terrible things she did and the danger she was putting her companions in. What that means, I'm not sure.

We also don't know what happens if you put the body of a God-tier player on a quest bed. My guess is nothing, but who knows.

You become godlier than God Tier.

You become Connery Tier.

[radicalNinja]

You become godlier than God Tier.

You become Connery Tier.

What happens is the same thing that happens when you prototype a third time

[Stormspirit]

Actually, the thing is, Terezi might still be under the shock of what she did, but it was never specified and it's like everybody forgot about it. Like "oh, someone died, right, fine". I don't hate her, at all, I thought her conversations and interaction with Dave were pretty funny and she was always the one to fall into traps. But the fact she didn't even seems to remember she killed Vriska makes me grit my teeth. Even if she has to be the strong one, I find very frustrating the fact she appears so apathetic. But whatever, I guess it would simply be fun to see the trolls again, now that they have time to discuss what happened.

[Conspicuous]

The problem with Terezi isn't that she killed Vriska, it's that Vriska is the third person she killed like that.

Terezi's a pretty nasty individual.