COMPLAININ 'BOUT HOMESTUCK ( tUMUt )

[Conspicuous]

is this topic even about complaining anymore, or is is the official dad/mom topic

deathsbuddy complained just now, so yes, it's still about complaining.

And now I'm complaining about you complaining about the lack of complaining.
So there.

[Greyscale]

I'm pretty sure the winking is only visible from the back of said laptop, not from the screen.

The face is pretty much identical on both sides from what I can tell, only difference is that one side has a rectangle screen in the middle like a teletubby.

[deathsbuddy]

I dunno, he still has some strong dealings left with his Bro, who's raising of Dave was strongly tied into his issues to begin with.

Yeah but he already became a hero, and flew into the sun like a fucknig piece of garbage, escaping from the dying with death!

[Conspicuous]

Yeah but he already became a hero, and flew into the sun like a fucknig piece of garbage, escaping from the dying with death!

And yet becoming a hero was never his problem.
His problem was that he had to realize he was, in fact, a hero.

It is quite obvious that Dave was a hero from the start when you look at the kids' individual reasons for playing Sburb.

It was always his own inability to see himself for what he truly was that tormented him so.

Did he get over that?
Probably, but not definitely.
There's probably still some lingering doubts he has about his own capabilities.

[deathsbuddy]

The dying part too, though.

It kind of bugs me that the crow symbolism is still out there even when its meaning seems to have fulfilled itself.

[Conspicuous]

To be fair, the crow symbolism is hard to get rid of, considering it's tied into a main villain, who's not going to die for a while, at least.
Much as I'd like to see Jack spontaneously burst into flames or something, it's not likely to happen.

Still, I'd like to see what kind of new insights about time Dave got from god-tiering.

[The_Codfish]

Jack isn't really the main villain now, is he? More like a side villain. A pawn to the main villain.

[Conspicuous]

He served as a catalyst for much of the plot during Act 4 and Act 5.
He's a main villain, just not the overarching ultimate villain.

[Stormspirit]

He served as a catalyst for much of the plot during Act 4 and Act 5.
He's a main villain, just not the overarching ultimate villain.

Alternatively, we could say he's an antagonist, but not the archenemy. Much easier.

[The_Codfish]

So reasonable. Let's stick with that.

[Conspicuous]

Then what does that make Scratch?

Merely an antagonist? Despite the fact he had a much more direct hand in everything that went down?

[Stormspirit]

Then what does that make Scratch?

Merely an antagonist? Despite the fact he had a much more direct hand in everything that went down?

An antagonist is any characters that go against the goals of the protagonists (the heroes). So, yes, even though Doc Scratch had a hand in every events, he is not the archenemy, because he was simply working for Lord English. Even Lord English might not be the archenemy.

[Primal Zed]

Then what does that make Scratch?

Merely an antagonist? Despite the fact he had a much more direct hand in everything that went down?

I'd say Scratch was pretty indirect with everything he did.

Also not sure why Scratch would get a different qualifier than Bec Noir?

[Conspicuous]

An antagonist is any characters that go against the goals of the protagonists (the heroes). So, yes, even though Doc Scratch had a hand in every events, he is not the archenemy, because he was simply working for Lord English. Even Lord English might not be the archenemy.

Perhaps, we all know Hussie was the main enemy from the start.

I'd say Scratch was pretty indirect with everything he did.

Also not sure why Scratch would get a different qualifier than Bec Noir?

Doc Scratch's actions set the stage for pretty much everything that went down, his methods may be subtle, but the consequences far-reaching.


Regardless, though, I'd call them all villains, they actively oppose the heroes, and their deaths will solve a good many problems.

It's just that Lrd English trumps all of them in general villainy.
Doc Scratch can be said to merely be an extension of Lrd English's will, but Jack operates on his own and is fully responsible for his own actions.

[The_Codfish]

Well, yeah, I don't think anyone ever called into question their status as 'the baddies'.

Jack was a pawn as well, though. If it weren't for the schemes of Doc Scratch, he would have never have been able to get into the position to destroy the universe; his actions were accounted for and even crucial to Scratch's plan. Though now that he's served his purpose in the plan, he's a free agent now and pretty much his own man.

[Conspicuous]

You've got a lot of different types of baddies, though.

I wouldn't call the Underlings villains, for example.
They're just minions of evil.
Doc Scratch and the Condesce are on the low end of the villain scale, since they serve a vastly more evil master.

Jack on the other hand may have been fulfilling a role in Doc Scratch's schemes, but never served anyone once he got his hands on some power.
He's an important villain on his own.

[The_Codfish]

As I see it, Jack did no 'more' than any of the other villains (except for Lord English, since he pretty much left all of the work on everyone else). On autonomy and face time, yeah, he's there at the top, but in plot importance, he's pretty much on the level with the other two.

[Conspicuous]

His current plot importance, I suppose.
He's losing relevance quick and isn't nearly the threat he used to be.

Still, his actions drove the plot for a good long while, so I'll stick with calling him a main villain.

[mackie1234]

The story. As of the latest "thingies" what is going on? What is the objective of the game now,that the scratch has happened?

[LMLYP]

The story. As of the latest "thingies" what is going on? What is the objective of the game now,that the scratch has happened?

short-term: to pave the way for the arrival of gods. long-term, to create a new universe outside LE's reach. this probably belongs in the simple questions thread!

[CNR4806]

Bro (and Dirk post-scratch) doesn't use Drillkind despite the obvious reference available.

Also, there isn't a significant drop in Jack's actual plot significance, not now, he's still practically "racing" the ectobiology lab meteor while being pinned down in an endless statemate with PM at the same time. The one that I recall to have significance rapidly dropping are WV and Davesprite, they were important as fuck at one time and then became completely useless decorations on their respective meteor/ship, which I'm totally upset with, especially Davesprite.

[*Sigh*]

In response to your first complaint, Hussie didn't even know about Gurren Lagann when he invented Bro, so the connection is either a complete coincidence or a subconscious... thing.

Besides, Bro in TTGL used a sword too, not a drill. That was Simon's weapon.

[Akazani]

Far as I understand it, Hussie didn't know about TL when he made Bro + Dave, but when the similarities were pointed out later, he made them more purposeful references.

[Sporkaganza]

Far as I understand it, Hussie didn't know about TL when he made Bro + Dave, but when the similarities were pointed out later, he made them more purposeful references.

As purposeful as he could ever make them without actually seeing the show, you mean. He doesn't really have time to watch anything.

[temporalPeregrine]

As purposeful as he could ever make them without actually seeing the show, you mean. He doesn't really have time to watch anything.

He had time to watch Parks and Recreation. I'm sure he just says that so the fandom doesn't use his askbox to tell him to watch anime or stuff like that, but I'm okay with it.