It was suspense-driven well, well before Murderstuck in act 5 (or whatever you're thinking of) -- the mystery of who the hell these trolls are and what do they know and how all the weird time shit fits together is about suspense and uncertainty. That information was doled out slowly and sparingly, but not to the point where it felt like I was being jerked around.
This thread: all of my laughts. All of them.
This signature has been hidden because it exceeds standard human comprehension.
I am sometimes this guy:
This is not so much as a complaint but rather something that I wonder once in a while. In fact, it could as well turn into a 'complaint' about the Sales FAQ.
Look, I'm not looking to actually get Hussie to change his mind but I am in the middle of writing an essay for Hussie to think of the possibilities. If he says no after reading it, it's a no. I won't go around it.
I personally believe in a loose copyright and not just as a consumer-producer but as a producer as well. It is something that I myself would practice. I am tied up with the idea of a 'case by case' basis. For instance, if someone takes my art and creates a poster with it (without any changes to my art), I will mention that the thief is not associated with me. In fact, I would possibly would have taken the first step already and state any associations. Although, if I choose to sell a poster with that art, I would actually edit it in some way. However, if the art is in a collage or the art has been changed in any way, I'll let it go. If it is a derivative work, I personally would support it and if the person sells the derivative work, go ahead. I actually wouldn't ask for a fee either for using my characters and stuff. I also don't agree that I should be entitled to money unless it is in my hand. Now this is my idea on things and I'm perfectly fine with other people disagreeing with me. I would not ask of Hussie to go to that route since it is something he probably wouldn't be interested at all. However, I think 3D art commissions and mass produced works should be a thing within this fandom even if it means following a fee and whatnot.
However, everyone should put a page of their policies on copyright and put it within easy access. Sales FAQ is already a great step.
And just because someone sells X doesn't automatically means that someone else can't sell X. Depends on what X is.
I'm not trying to be snarky here, I just actually did not get much of a sense in your earlier post what your specific problem with this thread was. You said a lot of the posts on this forum were "noise," which seems to be like a colorful way of stating the fact that they do not interest you, not an explanation of that fact. And you also said that this specific thread was full of people who didn't realize that they weren't entitled to a response and that mostly no one cared about what they had to say. Which, again, seemed to me like a restatement of your lack of interest rather than an explanation of it; if you were interested in people's complaints to begin with, it wouldn't bother you that people write them as though they are supposed to interest you.
Something can not interest me and still be interesting. In fact, I acknowledged exactly that about a recent conversation here, and ended up starting a new thread because of what I wrote that disagreed with it. (the "what stuck you on homestuck" thread). That kind of thing is what I would love to see here, but instead it's usually crying about someone's pet character being dead (I think every one of my ignorelist people is because of some boring variation on that theme), or the huffy stuff about "wow, andrew doesn't agree with me about where his story should go, what a pilweef". And then there's the people who, when pointed out that they're being asses, wear that like a point of pride and keep right on doing it. Like "asshole" is a good character trait to have.And you also said that this specific thread was full of people who didn't realize that they weren't entitled to a response and that mostly no one cared about what they had to say. Which, again, seemed to me like a restatement of your lack of interest rather than an explanation of it; if you were interested in people's complaints to begin with, it wouldn't bother you that people write them as though they are supposed to interest you.
Anyway, I'm mostly grumbling about how completely and utterly useless the comic discussion thread has gotten. It veers wildly off topic, there's no stopping it, and there's people in there who seem to follow it obsessively 24 hours a day. CREEPY. It should probably be locked 24 hours after each update, to maybe keep the creeps from camping out there.
Last edited by PetPeeve; 02-24-2012 at 03:37 PM.
I am sometimes this guy:
I never actually entered this thread to address anyone's specific problems with the story. I was only talking about the serial/archival perception issue, because there still seems to be so many people who deny this is a real phenomenon, even as divorced from their opinions on HS. People with big problems always want me to address their stuff though. I say "I came to talk about X" and they say "Dude forget X, how about you answer for Y, because that's where the REAL problems are." Ok, whatever you say. Everyone has a million conflicting problems. Why would I get that involved in answering them? Yeah, I COULD write this huge dissertation on why Colwag's vision for Homestuck as some form of Vriska fanwank theater, in which she is glorified on every page from now until the end, is not actually the best direction for the story to go. My argument for that would be pretty air tight, but I don't have the time or the interest.
Rather than address people's isolated fetishistic gripes or structural issues, which vary way too widely, I CAN address issues which affect everyone's perception, and one of those is rate of reading and the influence on judgment that has. This isn't even really debatable in my view. Which is probably why I talk about it often, because I'm flabbergasted that people deny something so patently obvious. If you read a book in three days, that is a different experience from reading it one sentence at a time, every day, over the course of a few years. The difference in these experiences can be analyzed and evaluated. I don't get the psychology of anyone who disputes this principle. It's quite fucking insane. It's like I'm trying to have a decent conversation about some cutting edge genetic research with a guy who disputes the existence of evolution, and then tries to interest me on his brochures for intelligent design.
As if acknowledging this principle exists is somehow equivalent to totally ceding all ground on the merit of every single opinion you hold. Much safer just to deny it exists at all. There are some serious opinions at stake!!!
I dunno that Vriska fanwank theater idea doesn't sound too bad.
This thread became a lot funnier recently
Oh wait, I had a complaint.
I don't think Jade has been traumatized nearly as much as everyone else. I hope this changes soon.
Last edited by HeeCawRoo; 02-24-2012 at 04:30 PM.
tourtrip, they'll probably have the time to deal with what happened.
very common and seldom correct. It is not some unique insight that you possess.
What is the requisite amount of time that has to pass since you do a thing for it to be valid to criticize it?
It is very difficult to change someone else's mind on something that they feel very strongly about, as we have no doubt seen here. But it seems that this arguing is becoming less constructive. You're both right in that it's frustrating and difficult to understand when someone just can't see things the way you do, but how about we all take a breather?
Can't we all just get along?
We've gotten about ten reports from this thread in the last 24 hours, so i'm locking it until I or another moderator have the time to evaluate the issue(s).
If and when the thread re-opens, Please remember that the rules of the forum apply, including the "RESPECT" rule. There's a handy link in my signature if you've forgotten the rules!!
Until then, I'm sorry to say you'll have to find another outlet for your complaints about things you don't like in a comic you read for free on the internet.