COMPLAININ 'BOUT HOMESTUCK ( tUMUt )

[Rational Absurdity]

My only complaint at the moment is that Feferi still hasn't received any characterization whatsoever, and is now the only troll not to appear in the dream bubbles after death if I recall correctly.... no wait, her and Eridan. But Eridan had a lot of development before HIS death. Feferi had none. And I hope this is all because Hussie's about to unleash a big can of horrorterror exposition/squiddle session on us and she will be a main character in a future intermission.

That may be the case. There's a lot of signs of depth to her character and how she may not even be the ball of sunshine and innocence she's made out to be, but there's nothing in the story that really ties it together. It does appear that all this buildup with the existence of dream bubbles is really going to go somewhere, and (I hope) will give the dead kids a second chance at fulfillment of their character. They've got to lead to something big coming up, especially with the involvement of the still uncertain horrorterrors.

[liquidMountain]

Wasn't the whole broken with Eridan some sort of characterisation?

[*Sigh*]

Pfft, no. That was the breaking apart of a relationship we hadn't even really seen before, so it was more of a negative characterization.

[kmsumrall]

Negative characterization? How does that work? D you mean presenting a negative ahcaracter trait, or actually lessening the amount of characterization?

[*Sigh*]

Lessening. Presenting a negative character trait is still characterization, but taking one that already existed (or one that supposedly existed) and getting rid of it without putting anything in its place is negative characterization.

Think of it like Gamzee going back to the sopor for no reason. All those murders, all those paps and shooshes, all of them meaningless now because now the slime can do Karkat's job.

[colwag]

Strange, that's how I feel about his relationship with Karkat in general.

Assuming he DOESN'T go back to his murdering ways. And considering I'm sorta counting on him to, that'd suck.

[unbeliever536]

He's still got the freaky head thing.

[colwag]

I don't want old heads, I want new heads.

Heck, there has been a lack of deaths since Vriska died. Just lots of bullshit ways around it.

That's no fun, I want to see more corpses.

And the fact that there's no Beta!Kid deaths for real yet. That sucks. The asspull of their God Tiers just makes them all seem invincible now, the plot will bend over backwards to make them happy no matter how little sense it makes.

I need to see a kid die and stay dead to satisfy this break of tension. Otherwise...well, they're all going to live and that sorta sucks.

[kaoticAntagonist]

Vriska started the killings (comic-wise) and ended them.

And for a second i thought you were talking about the alpha kids, which, truthfully, would have been jumping the gun a hell of a lot.

The best reason I can think of (personally) for all the kids to still be alive is the fact that their session isn't over yet. If one of them was dead now, in the middle of their combined session, They couldn't (presumably) win the game later.

The trolls get a pass because they all died after their session had ended.

[InnerRayg]

Pretty sure that since Feferi's ancestor seems to now be basically the mini-boss before the end battle, I'm sure we'll be seeing more feferi characterization.

And more importantly, pretty sure those negative associations with her are on purpose. She seems nice at first glance, but she can be a real jerk.

[*Sigh*]

I was kind of hoping for some Feferi Vriska shenanigans because they were kind of hinted at when you used Vriska to talk to her by herself. And then they both died and now my only Fem!ship is Jade/Nepeta as a crack ship (and for irony).

[Sir Screwloose]

I was kind of hoping for some Feferi Vriska shenanigans because they were kind of hinted at when you used Vriska to talk to her by herself. And then they both died and now my only Fem!ship is Jade/Nepeta as a crack ship (and for irony).

Er, what? IIRC, Feferi and Vriska actually got along in that Flash.

[Quirk]

Something what bugs me: Nepeta was the only troll with her shit together, and then nothing is done with that fact.

Because a troll with their shit together is a pretty big deal.

[Ranter]

^ Never noticed before
So true.

[*Sigh*]

Er, what? IIRC, Feferi and Vriska actually got along in that Flash.

Well, I wasn't trying to say that they didn't get along together, but I needed SOME reason to like Feferi, and maybe putting her with Vriska in a black romance would do it. Plus, you know, you can kind of see it happening, can't you?

[colwag]

Vriska started the killings (comic-wise) and ended them.

And for a second i thought you were talking about the alpha kids, which, truthfully, would have been jumping the gun a hell of a lot.

The best reason I can think of (personally) for all the kids to still be alive is the fact that their session isn't over yet. If one of them was dead now, in the middle of their combined session, They couldn't (presumably) win the game later.

They still got their lands. Why would a dead Dave or Rose ruin the 8 player session? There's nothing saying they all have to survive 'till the end. The Alphas need to make it into the game to MAKE their lands, but that's about it in terms of survival necessity.

[Grand Mal]

I need to see a kid die and stay dead to satisfy this break of tension. Otherwise...well, they're all going to live and that sorta sucks.

All of the main characters surviving would suck. How...?

[ArmsAreLoud]

He's colwag, he doesn't need to make sense

Well, Rose dying would have been nice. Because her entire character arc has been a miserable failure and her plot has basically been "Rose fucks up immensely while John and Dave (mostly Dave) try to clean up her mistakes".

Buuut she's going to live to the end because she's arbitrarily a main character.

[colwag]

All of the main characters surviving would suck. How...?

There's no tension that potentially, the two that I like might die at some point. It's an assumed victory, no mystery involved.

I mean when Vriska died it made it SORTA plausible that a main character could die, but the asspull the Derse kids got went against that. And buried it deep, deep underground.

Also because I like the idea of Dave and/or Rose dying and the character developments that come from it more amusing then anything positive that could ever happen to them to give them a happy ending.

[Stormspirit]

He's colwag, he doesn't need to make sense

Well, Rose dying would have been nice. Because her entire character arc has been a miserable failure and her plot has basically been "Rose fucks up immensely while John and Dave (mostly Dave) try to clean up her mistakes".

Buuut she's going to live to the end because she's arbitrarily a main character.

Oh, come on, it wasn't that worse. She doesn't really fuck up. Wait...yes, she does, but that's not the point. Putting yourself in her shoes, would you really act reasonably when you're certain you doomed your whole universe ? She only tried to find answers, find a wormhole through which they could escape. She was quite stupid, yes, what's with listening to everything Doc Scratch said, but when somebody assures you he can help you, after all she's gone through...well, you don't flip him off. And don't forget through her actions she helped a lot of people and she's ultimately the one who was able to save them all; nobody would have known about the Green Sun without her, so they probably would've all died.

[ArmsAreLoud]

Her bigger issue was hiding all of the information she was getting from her friends.

Because giving out information is kind of what a Seer does.

Rose trusted this omniscient pedophile douchebag but she couldn't even trust the people she had called friends for years. What the hell is up with that?

[colwag]

nobody would have known about the Green Sun without her, so they probably would've all died.

Or perhaps if they didn't put the effort into that plan, they could have all gone God Tier without that silly mission and potentially taken Jack down directly. (Rose probably would have at least. She's ruthless enough to kill herself. Maybe Dave and Jade if they needed help.)

I blame Rose for sabotaging the session. She tried her best, yes, but her choice to go after the Green Sun instead of traditional victory is what made the Scratch a necessity.

But that has nothing to do with why I don't mind her dying at all, I just don't care if she's happy or not, therefore there's no loss if she does die and a gain of DRAMAS and DEVELOPMENT if she does.

[Grand Mal]

There's no tension that potentially, the two that I like might die at some point. It's an assumed victory, no mystery involved.

I mean when Vriska died it made it SORTA plausible that a main character could die, but the asspull the Derse kids got went against that. And buried it deep, deep underground.

Also because I like the idea of Dave and/or Rose dying and the character developments that come from it more amusing then anything positive that could ever happen to them to give them a happy ending.

Okay, reasonable opinion. I wouldn't say it buried it deep underground though. On the bright (or dark) side, they seem likely to perform a heroic deed know that they are more able to fight Jack. And we all know the irony there...

[Stormspirit]

Well, I said she did fuck up. But he's omniscient, so how could a Seer, which job is kind of the same as his, not believe him ? Just like Vriska didn't wanted to but she still knew what he said would happen. But a Seer's job is also to prevent actions she doesn't deems worthy. It's just like UranianUmbra said : maybe finding out this information was through self-fulfillment. She would have caused a lot of problems if her actions had changed the course of the Alpha Timeline. But yes, she has quite a lot of problems with trust, unfortunately. But that's what make her what she is, I guess.

[colwag]

Okay, reasonable opinion. I wouldn't say it buried it deep underground though. On the bright (or dark) side, they seem likely to perform a heroic deed know that they are more able to fight Jack. And we all no the irony there...

Yes , and there is decent foreshadowing to John being the one to perform it.

But with all the twists and bending of the plot and the characters inside it needed to try to get them all to God Tiers, I would suspect a similar bending of reality itself to ensure that anything bad that could happen to the kids will be avoided quite well.

They feel locked into a happy ending, and I'm not a fan of that!