NIGHTFALL: Post-sburb fancomic

**Souleater17** · 03-25-2012, 09:49 PM

@ Optimatum
He said it was probably Just. I know it wasn't, but her death was just because of what she did in her past.

@ Tank
In Flip, Vriska actually managed to tell Terezi that Gamzee and Eridan were behind it, but the glitchiness screwed up the video. Also, if Terezi dies, she's dead. She's not god tier.

**Tank the Avengineer** · 03-25-2012, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by Optimatum

Not really. Alternian justice means if the legislacerature decides you're guilty, you are.

Alternian justice also states that killing those of a lesser blood does not in fact warrant death. She's not killed any higher bloods, and as such, Terezi broke the law too.
You can't just conviniently remember certain parts of the justice system. Since Vriska's death was 'just' we can assume that it uses a different system, perhaps the human one, and as such, Terezi would be able to be justly killed.

Worst part is that something tells me that if John finds out he'll go batshit and (justly) murder Terezi. Since she did kill his (likely) matesprit.

Edit since I didn't notice the new page:
Also, Souleater, I was assuming she reaches god tier through shenanigans.

**Optimatum** · 03-25-2012, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by Tank the Avengineer

Alternian justice also states that killing those of a lesser blood does not in fact warrant death. She's not killed any higher bloods, and as such, Terezi broke the law too.
You can't just conviniently remember certain parts of the justice system. Since Vriska's death was 'just' we can assume that it uses a different system, perhaps the human one, and as such, Terezi would be able to be justly killed.

This is Sburb justice, who knows what it runs on. Also I want to see this confirmation that Hussie gave about her death being just. Do you have a link?

**FowlJ** · 03-25-2012, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by Optimatum

First thing if Hussie said that it was just somewhere than he contradicted himself, because he also said it was supposed to be unclear and he wasn't going to tell us. Secondly, Vriska's death was not as punishment for her crimes. It was a completely impartial decision by Terezi to prevent a doomed timeline. It would have been a just death if she was killed as punishment, but saying it was just in this context is like saying it would be a heroic death if John was to try to kill Jack Noir even though he would certainly be killed but in the midst of being heroic and approaching Jack Noir an unrelated boulder fell on him and killed him.

But it makes sense for the death to be just because Vriska was made aware of the consequences of her actions, yet intended to go through with them regardless. She knew Jack would be able to follow her trail back to the meteor, but wanted to go purely so that she could have the satisfaction of killing him.

**OverratedAverage** · 03-25-2012, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by FowlJ

But it makes sense for the death to be just because Vriska was made aware of the consequences of her actions, yet intended to go through with them regardless. She knew Jack would be able to follow her trail back to the meteor, but wanted to go purely so that she could have the satisfaction of killing him.

We don't have any explicit proof she knew he would follow her trail, we only know that it happened. I've been reading again from &p=005672 (when Terezi lets her go) to &p=005719 (when Scratch flips the Strife turn-ways). But, it does say at &p=005693 that "notoriety" is all that is needed "To secure a death one may parse just." Certainly, Vriska has enough of that from what she's done.

On that note, a heroic death is something that earns a state of martyrdom, as stated at &p=005692.

So, martyrdom and notoriety for heroic and just deaths.

**obolisk0430** · 03-25-2012, 11:14 PM

Hmm... I may need to re-read that. It strikes me as odd that a death could be just even if it had nothing to do with any wrongdoings on your part. For example, you go and kill a bunch of people for no good reason, and randomly get instakilled later by a lucky shot from a random enemy who had nothing to do with your "crimes". And you perma die, because it was just. The lack of connection makes it seem BS to me. Terezi didn't kill Vriska for what she had done in the past, but rather because Terezi knew that if Vriska challanged Jack, Jack would kill the other trolls.

**Romanji** · 03-26-2012, 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by obolisk0430

Hmm... I may need to re-read that. It strikes me as odd that a death could be just even if it had nothing to do with any wrongdoings on your part. For example, you go and kill a bunch of people for no good reason, and randomly get instakilled later by a lucky shot from a random enemy who had nothing to do with your "crimes". And you perma die, because it was just. The lack of connection makes it seem BS to me. Terezi didn't kill Vriska for what she had done in the past, but rather because Terezi knew that if Vriska challanged Jack, Jack would kill the other trolls.

If Terezi killed Vriska for her attempt to kill Jack that would mean she had not died taking part in a Heroic action, she never had the chance to, nor did she die for notoriety because what Terezi was afraid of never happened to grant Vriska notoriety for her deeds. If your thinking in terms of Terezi killing Vriska for the realization that Jack before confronting Vriska would return to the trolls and kill them.

Something tells me dying for what you could have done doesn't justify a death of a godtier.

**Optimatum** · 03-26-2012, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by Romanji

If Terezi killed Vriska for her attempt to kill Jack that would mean she had not died taking part in a Heroic action, she never had the chance to, nor did she die for notoriety because what Terezi was afraid of never happened to grant Vriska notoriety for her deeds. If your thinking in terms of Terezi killing Vriska for the realization that Jack before confronting Vriska would return to the trolls and kill them.

Something tells me dying for what you could have done doesn't justify a death of a godtier.

But Vriska's death could be considered heroic because she risked letting Terezi kill her to go try to kill Jack.

**Tank the Avengineer** · 03-26-2012, 06:29 AM

Anyways, I do believe we should try to get back on topic, don't you think?
We kind of just veered the fuck off topic.
Topic being the comic that happens to be using the thread that we've all been arguing in.

**Romanji** · 03-26-2012, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by Tank the Avengineer

Anyways, I do believe we should try to get back on topic, don't you think?
We kind of just veered the fuck off topic.
Topic being the comic that happens to be using the thread that we've all been arguing in.

Tank, fixer of threads?

yes, like sands in an hour glass so are the days of homestuck

**obolisk0430** · 03-26-2012, 05:26 PM

Sorry bout that... I am back to eagerly awaiting updates for this great comic.

**Tarkaris** · 03-26-2012, 07:37 PM

Agreed to that. Art style evokes the homestuck feel while retaining it's own unique flavor and beauty. *thumbs up approval by Dirk Strider.*

**TheNeonWerewolf** · 03-26-2012, 08:49 PM

Rose: Investigate.

>Be Vriska.

Okay, I got a bunch of homework done today, and I am starting to get caught up with Nightfall. Hopefully I can update more frequently for a few days.

**Destruction Dragon 360** · 03-26-2012, 08:57 PM

Vriska: Be behind the other door.

**pygmyLioness** · 03-26-2012, 09:11 PM