IDE/Theory Thread 23: The choicest of theories that money can buy

[unbeliever536]

Additionally, Tav's dream legs worked, and that injury came from before the blindness.

[fairlyArbitrary]

The fact that Dirk and Roxy are taking on Dave and Rose as their "parents" should be a sign that the cultural norm is based off of Troll culture of not knowing one's progenitors and of associating with whatever particular legend or mythological or historical figure you feel kinship with. They never actually had parents, while Jane is the exception by right of being the Heiress.

It's just a sign of how odd the human players in Homestuck are. Jake told UranianUmbra that humans generally have parents in their conversation. Betty Crocker's interest in family planning may be a step towards centralising human reproduction, or to creating a homeland for the trolls.

On the subject of dream selves, have any of them had a long-term health problem except for Terezi? Aradia even died without her dream self suffering any ill effects.

[simon.clarkstone]

Better wording about Terezi's blindness welcome. The current doesn't seem quite right to me.

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TT: A complete disgrace of tropical fruit erupting from the peak of an unassuming domicile.

IDE: that will end up being foreshadowing of an alchemiter accident, or maybe something involving the recipe modus and related BC kit.

[I_Crow]

Seems fine to me.

[unbeliever536]

The thing with Terezi's blindness is that it isn't a thing with her. Her dreamself is blind because the things that came with that blindness (knowing her Lusus, sniff/taste-sight) are a very important and very positive part of who she is now. The dreamself seems to be an "inner [player]". Inner Vriska has her vision-eightfold. Inner Terezi sees with her nose, not her eyes. Inner Tavros can walk and fly. There are two inner Solluxes.

[I_Crow]

Based off that last post, then if Gamzee had started the game sober he too would have had two dreamselves.

[Legendary]

IDE/Theory: Felt Manor is built on the site of Kanaya's hive, not Terezi's.

Jossed. Snowman controls Vriska (and also Terezi) from the site of Kanaya's hive, and the exile station there was a Mother Grub skull with no locks attached. Further, the exile station to control Sollux had a crustacean-theme to it, reflecting Karkat's lusus. The safe + lock/key were probably built around the actual exile station by the Felt to prevent its use, and the station itself would probably be an egg.

[The Almighty 404]

My IDE from last thread.

IDE: UU is a blue alien, like those that Jake love. Much like how the Trolls were horned beasts, very similar to Howie Mandell in Little Monsters, the film that John loves.

You know, mythical trolls tend to change color, size, shape, powers... from storyteller to storyteller. UU can be an androgynous blue troll like Karkat is an angry grey candy-horned troll.

[I_Crow]

Sweet, still has that new thread smell!

Anyway, time for some speculation that has nothing to do with recent updates.

IDE/Theory: Felt Manor is built on the site of Kanaya's hive, not Terezi's.
Terezi having had a safe or a lock and key as her entry item doesn't make any thematic sense. However, Kanaya's chastity fetch modus works in an awfully similar manner, albeit somewhat reversed: Slick had the spade key forever and had no idea what it was for until he found the proper lock, while Kanaya's items, like the matriorb, are all locked away until the right tiime comes for her to find the key.
As for why that station was set to communicate with Karkat instead of Vriska, Doc Scratch or Snowman could have teleported in past the lock to adjust the settings.
As a side note, if this were true, it would put Felt Manor directly next to one of the Frog Temples.

edit: i'm wrong nevermind

[Atarlost]

The Felt Manor has to be on Alternia because in timeskipping they wind up in locations plainly on Alternia. Doc Scratch's tower is on the Green Moon, but not the Felt Manor seen in the intermission.

[Sir Screwloose]

Jossed. Snowman controls Vriska (and also Terezi) from the site of Kanaya's hive, and the exile station there was a Mother Grub skull with no locks attached. Further, the exile station to control Sollux had a crustacean-theme to it, reflecting Karkat's lusus. The safe + lock/key were probably built around the actual exile station by the Felt to prevent its use, and the station itself would probably be an egg.

Derp, I forgot we saw Snowman's station fro mthe outside.
NEVERMIND!
And yeah, I_Crow, Felt Manor is on Alternia, Scratch's apartment is on the green moon.

[Legendary]

i'm pretty sure felt manor is on the green moon

Doc Scratch lives on the Green Moon. However, as Sawbuck's teleportation always led to somewhere within the confines of the Felt Manor, it stands to reason from the trip to the past that the Felt Manor is built on Alternia, as the pink and green moons are visible when we see the Scurrilous Straggler.

EDIT: Also this http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003221 shows the Green Moon in the background. Though I was ninja'd a little.

[Vanymstorm]

Here's one. I know the skipper plumbthroat = english things have been posted a thousand times before, but maybe LE ISNT skipper plumbthroat?

Maybe it's Eridan.

Let's think about this for a second. In the commentary for the Alternia album, Radiation said he considered "carefree princess berryboo" to be a good theme for Feferi, who is on good standing with the dark gods (squiddles duh) and even cares for one until it dies. This sets the stage for an obvious Feferi/Eridan and Berryboo/Plumbthroat parallel.

Let's also consider that Eridan has a nack for pointless genocide and has a weapon that's loads powerful than his rifle was (as evidenced by how sollux could match the shots of the rifle with his eye beams but was easily dispatched with the wand).

There's the problem of how he got out of his dream bubble, but if Sollux was able to I don't think it's entirely implausible for Eridan to find a way out and start killing off some dark gods.

Thank you. I keep saying that given what (very precious little) we know about the nature of the threat, literally anyone would be a more plausible suspect than English. The means is not an issue, because insufficient firepower is actually the easiest deficit to rectify by far. Motive and opportunity are what we should be looking at. We're told the status quo is in danger, and we're told LE's presence is an established part of that status quo. Until someone can scrounge up a specific reason to doubt one of these statements, they considerably hamper LE's validity as a suspect.

And "because its obviously going to be le stutid" is not a reason.
Nor is "Rose could be wrong, therefore she is wrong." That may as well have "because its obviously going to be le stutid" tacked on the end.

[Malleus Inferni]

IDE/theory: UU is a cherub

1. UU "cheers" instead of trolling.
2. The element conspicuously "missing" from UU's symbol (when compared with the caduceus) is a pair of wings.
3. The adjective "uranian" can mean (among other things) "androgynous" or "heavenly." Angels are both of these things. Note that the planet Uranus is named after a Greek word for "heaven."

Other things worth pointing out: Calmasis obviously has something to do with UU somehow. Jane seems to have guessed that UU is female, but that got no response from UU at all and she could be wrong about it. Angels, and especially the "lord of all angels" Eridan mentioned, will probably become a relevant plot point later as with literally everything else in Homestuck.

I don't know what "cherub" would signify, exactly. It could just be the term used for trolls in pre-scratch Alternia, or it could mean... something new.

(Already posted this on tumblr and reddit but might as well post it here too)

[nostalgebraist]

@Vanymstorm:

A better argument is "because Andrew specifically mentioned the LE-Plumbtroat association."

Although that still isn't a very good argument, since that only indicates that Andrew intends for people to draw the connection between the two, not that it actually implies what it might seem to. (And even then, he hedges things to the max: "[LE] may or may not bear some tenuous connection to Skipper Plumbthroat . . . ")

[Shard]

IDE/Theory: Otto is trying to ruin Roxy's chances at Dirk in order to get back at him because of his sunglasses-state.

[Vanymstorm]

@Vanymstorm:

A better argument is "because Andrew specifically mentioned the LE-Plumbtroat association."

Although that still isn't a very good argument, since that only indicates that Andrew intends for people to draw the connection between the two, not that it actually implies what it might seem to. (And even then, he hedges things to the max: "[LE] may or may not bear some tenuous connection to Skipper Plumbthroat . . . ")

It's not even a good connection. It's the peg leg. Because "everyone knows" pirates always have peg legs.

... Well, all pirates except Plumbthroat.

[I_Crow]

yeah plumbthroat doesn't even have a peg leg so that would be a really shitty parallel anyway

[nostalgebraist]

I'm not even saying the connection makes sense. I'm just saying Andrew pointed it out, in the course of enumerating the "slurry of references" that went in LE's design.

[Unclever title]

IDE/Theory: The Auto-Responder is actually subtly trying to hint/foreshadow that Dirk is going to try to get together with Roxy. Further, Roxy will probably end up as Jake's client player and Dirk's server player.

[I_Crow]

I thought dirk sorta confirmed that he was gay

"yes but I don't like the term gay"

[Unclever title]

I thought dirk sorta confirmed that he was gay

"yes but I don't like the term gay"

Since when are Striders ever straight forward about themselves?

I don't know, it's a subtle suspicion I have is all.

[Crispiness]

He may have an attraction to men but he could also have an attraction to women as well. Also, he believes the word "gay" is outdated.

[OrangeAipom]

It's more RoxyJohn. John is basically his Dad in younger form AND he isn't already off limits.

Dad has a bigger nose.

No it's been pretty established that the dreamself takes on properties of the player that they have accepted.

Evidence against your theory is Vriska. Her dreamself had an arm long after her realself had it blown off.

Also her vision eightfold didn't need a special lens anymore.

[Crispiness]

Dad has a bigger nose.

Roxy Nigel confirmed.