IDE/Theory Thread 23: The choicest of theories that money can buy

[Grand Mal]

IDE/theory: UU and uu are a two-person session in universe A1, seperate from the ancestors. uu is emulating the pre-scratched version of Karkat. KarkatA1 left a big cultural impact on his planet, as evidenced by Nerdfang's necklace and UU's sleeve. uu idolizes the guy, but has no genetic relation.

[LMLYP]

if misattributed quotes are still a thing, dirk's will be

"Full fathom five thy father lies
Of his bones are coral made
Those are pearls that were his eyes
Nothing of his that doth change
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange"

[MegaRock35]

Post 500 specularnaodm! Have some IDEs/Theories!

IDE/Theory: UU called uu a "cUrmUdgeonly cosplayer," but uu has made it pretty obvious he won't be cosplaying as one of the other characters as I previously thought. So he probably cosplays as 1.) Jigsaw, for the obvious references to the infamous thread; 2.) the Riddler, because he, too, is famous for puzzle-murders, and the green suit would match Calmasis and UU's known styles of dress; or 3.) both at the same time because why not.

IDE/Theory: If UU and uu merge as in the story of Hermaphroditus, they will become associated with the initials WW (Geddit?)

IDE/Theory: UU is a Sylph of Doom, uu is a Mage of Rage.

IDE/Theory: Gamzee is stealing corpses and decapitating them as a tribute to Li'l Cal. Maybe even so Li'l Cal can have a real body...?

IDE/Theory: Sawtooth will show up for the inevitable Dirk vs. Imperial Drones strife. (As has been said a million times before)

IDE/Theory: The Famished Ruffians were exiled with the Black Queen. The reason it was before the Meteor Apocalypse is because Betty Crocker wants them to die along with the rest of the planet.

IDE/Theory: Following up from that, Betty Crocker plans to return to the human universe to establish a new Troll empire. Too bad for her that she doesn't know about the Red Miles...

IDE/Theory: The Black King doesn't know that his Queen has been displaced. He won't be happy when he finds out.

IDE/Theory: Due to how fucked up their Session is already, the White King and Queen planned ahead: the White King has a decoy scepter, whereas the Queen has the real one. So now they can keep playing past the loss of their King...

[Thedude3445]

We've been told "twelve heroes" played the game. I could possibly buy a "there were going to be more, but a few got left out" loophole, however "there were going to be more, but all except two got left out" just doesn't work.

Alternately: It's Universe A1, but Sburb/Sgrub was a commercial release, and they're both essentially filling the roll of "troll!FedoraFreak".

Alternately's Revenge: It's Universe A1, but it's not the "pre-scratch troll society" the A1 team came from. It's a "post-game" society, built (at least partly) by the A2 trolls on the ruins of pre-scratch Alternia.

Bride of Alternately: It's Universe C. Deal with it.

Troll!fedorafreak is something that is much better. If only because that means fedorafreak would have to appear again along with his amazing session of himself, 2busy4this, Nic Cage, mrlifdoff, Charles Dutton, Bill Cosby, Charles Barkley, and somehow Bing Crosby.

[HeeCawRoo]

IDE/Theory: UU called uu a "cUrmUdgeonly cosplayer," but uu has made it pretty obvious he won't be cosplaying as one of the other characters as I previously thought. So he probably cosplays as 1.) Jigsaw, for the obvious references to the infamous thread; 2.) the Riddler, because he, too, is famous for puzzle-murders, and the green suit would match Calmasis and UU's known styles of dress; or 3.) both at the same time because why not.

She said "coplayer".

I read it wrong the first time too.

[MegaRock35]

She said "coplayer".

I read it wrong the first time too.

Wait, what? Shit. I thought a Jigsaw/Riddler outfit would look cool. >:[

[cyberHeroine]

It's pretty much established that each session has a hero of Space and a hero of Time. While we only have two sessions to take information from, it seems that Space is generally associated with Prospit, and Time with Derse. Therefore UU is a hero of Space (a Maid, possibly, as the other female-specific roles that we know of have been taken already for Space), and uu is a hero of Time.

[MegaRock35]

It's pretty much established that each session has a hero of Space and a hero of Time. While we only have two sessions to take information from, it seems that Space is generally associated with Prospit, and Time with Derse. Therefore UU is a hero of Space (a Maid, possibly, as the other female-specific roles that we know of have been taken already for Space), and uu is a hero of Time.

That's actually just an inference. Space was the only one that's been explicitly confirmed as a requirement.

But yeah, they probably are, but I was just choosing ones we didn't know much about, since we already know Time and Space pretty well.

[ponce]

That's actually just an inference. Space was the only one that's been explicitly confirmed as a requirement.

But yeah, they probably are, but I was just choosing ones we didn't know much about, since we already know Time and Space pretty well.

Maybe you can have a session with a hero of Life and Doom instead of Space and Time? There doesn't seem to be any reason thematically why a Life hero couldn't breed a giant space frog.

When UU says "for instance, a hero of life and a hero of doom have aspects as different as can be. bUt if their classes are different enoUgh as well, that is, one active and the other passive, remarkably there is a chance they coUld end Up with very similar abilities!" it makes me think she and uu may be a Life/Doom pair with extremely similar abilities that involve creating giant chess armies.

[AnatidaeCollector]

Since Jack Noir Black Queen, I think Jack Noir Batterwitch exists too.
And Jack will actually help the kids (possibly through Karkat's epic blood powers) in order to show superiority over his kismesis.

Also, I think UU=Sylph of Blood, uu= Knight of ???? (possibly life, just to challenge him and his murderous tendencies), and they merge to form The Sufferer (reasons explained in UU/uu spec thread).

[Stormspirit]

Since Jack Noir Black Queen, I think Jack Noir Batterwitch exists too.
And Jack will actually help the kids (possibly through Karkat's epic blood powers) in order to show superiority over his kismesis.

Well, not really. Jack has more of a role as an assassin with the Condesce. And that greatly please him. In perspective, he was the Black Queen's accountant. Do you really think someone with a murder drive like Jack would be happy to be stuck doing paperworks ?

[ponce]

Since Jack Noir Black Queen, I think Jack Noir Batterwitch exists too.
And Jack will actually help the kids (possibly through Karkat's epic blood powers) in order to show superiority over his kismesis.

Also, I think UU=Sylph of Blood, uu= Knight of ???? (possibly life, just to challenge him and his murderous tendencies), and they merge to form The Sufferer (reasons explained in UU/uu spec thread).

We haven't seen anything to imply that titles and aspects are conserved across the scratch. John and Jane's titles don't have anything to do with each other except visually.

[AnatidaeCollector]

It's heavily impiled that Condesce is some sort of Life hero and has been referred to by people as a Witch.
And Handmaid had some sort of Time powers, and given her life, Maid of Time would be fitting.
Darkleer had Void powers.
Mindfang was a thief, literally, and had a weapon that worked by luck.
Therefore, Sufferer would be Knight of Blood.

And I think that Jack BQ is beyond just him being fed up with being an accountant. Spades Slick and Sn0wman were for each other. I'm sure that a Jack/Bec Noir Batterwitch plotline will emerge to complete the love story.

[Stormspirit]

It's heavily impiled that Condesce is some sort of Life hero and has been referred to by people as a Witch.
And Handmaid had some sort of Time powers, and given her life, Maid of Time would be fitting.

And I think that Jack BQ is beyond just him being fed up with being an accountant. Spades Slick and Sn0wman were for each other. I'm sure that a Jack/Bec Noir Batterwitch plotline will emerge to complete the love story.

Well, Spades Slick was also Jack Noir before he was exiled. And also, he was exiled by her. He has every reason to hate Snowman. But for now, he doesn't seems to have any problems with working with the Condesce, because she let him kill kids.

[ponce]

It's heavily impiled that Condesce is some sort of Life hero and has been referred to by people as a Witch.
And Handmaid had some sort of Time powers, and given her life, Maid of Time would be fitting.
Darkleer had Void powers.
Mindfang was a thief, literally, and had a weapon that worked by luck.
Therefore, Sufferer would be Knight of Blood.

And I think that Jack BQ is beyond just him being fed up with being an accountant. Spades Slick and Sn0wman were for each other. I'm sure that a Jack/Bec Noir Batterwitch plotline will emerge to complete the love story.

I mean there's nothing to imply that UU and uu's classes will be related to Karkat's, given that all the pre-and-post scratch character pairs we've seen don't show anything along those patterns.

I do think that an ancestor/guardian will probably share their child's aspect though, given what we've seen, but that's not across a scratch.

[AnatidaeCollector]

Like I said, I think a reason for Bec Noir to hate Batterwitch will surface.

And I have theories about UU/uu and Sufferer being related. I posted them in the UU Spec Thread.

And I think that with the trolls, since their biology is different and Karkat said that their ectobiology was complicated as fuck, the ancestors and the post-scratch kid-trolls would have the same titles. That'd explain why mom!Roxy and kid!Rose didn't have similar powers, but ancestor!Handmaid and kid!Aradia do.

[Blaperile]

IDE/Theory: Soon Jane will start flirting with Jake to try and get him, but Jake'll be flirting with Dirk to get him to say that he loves Jake, and then it turns out Dirk is not gay (anymore maybe) and he flirts with Roxy. And to complete the circle, Roxy will flirt with Jane.

Perfect crime

[Legendary]

And I think that with the trolls, since their biology is different and Karkat said that their ectobiology was complicated as fuck, the ancestors and the post-scratch kid-trolls would have the same titles. That'd explain why mom!Roxy and kid!Rose didn't have similar powers, but ancestor!Handmaid and kid!Aradia do.

Additionally, the two sets of trolls didn't play the same game, while the two sets of humans are about to. The humans needed to mix things up because quite frankly seeing Dave and Dirk running around being Knights of Time and causing so many time loops would be less interesting and more bland. The trolls (and possibly every other scratched session ever) don't have this problem.

[Ace of Dark-Hearts]

IDE: The pre scratch trolls will have the same titles as the post scratch trolls, except their classes will be inverted. Passive classes will become their corresponding active classes and vice-versa. Ex. Nerdfang will be the Rouge of Light.

No real reason why I think this, I just thought it would be interesting seeing as the pre scratch trolls are opposite in some ways to the post scratch trolls, and I thought this would be a good way to reinforce that concept.

[simon.clarkstone]

IDE/Theory: Due to how fucked up their Session is already, the White King and Queen planned ahead: the White King has a decoy scepter, whereas the Queen has the real one. So now they can keep playing past the loss of their King...

Slight problem with this: the king doesn't have any hands yet.

I think I figured out what the Condesce is trying to do (barring any revelations that people we thought were the same turn out not to be). She is trying to save the world by assassinating the four players. In doing so she would also be saving Skaia by preventing the reckoning and saving the Lands by preventing the Denizens' increase in activity that comes at about the time of player entry. Is there anything this empress can do that's not saving worlds?

And I think that Jack BQ is beyond just him being fed up with being an accountant. Spades Slick and Sn0wman were for each other. I'm sure that a Jack/Bec Noir Batterwitch plotline will emerge to complete the love story.

BW could give him long life to help with this.

[Hunter X]

IDE/Theory: Partway through the new session, somebody will have the bright idea to throw Derse at Skaia (bonus points if it is the Batterwitch). The moon will fall through a portal and transport hundreds of Dersites to pre-game Earth, while the main body of Derse will destroy the Battlefield, at which point the Beta Kids and Trolls will arrive and replace it with their prototyped version.

[kaoticAntagonist]

jade did not bring derse or prospit.

[cyberHeroine]

UU and uu appear to be about to play a two-player session. Since they also appear to be awake on their respective moons, I think it is rather unlikely that they wouldn't figure that there were other players based on dreamers. Unless of course the planets are both stuffed with comatose dreamselves on quest-beds, which is extremely unlikely, really, and still requires some way for them to enter the Medium.

I know the Mobius Double Reacharound theory is popular, but the simplest explanation is that these trolls are a completely separate session from A1

[Hunter X]

jade did not bring derse or prospit.

No need for a replacement Derse, just a replacement Battlefield.

[kaoticAntagonist]

No need for a replacement Derse, just a replacement Battlefield.

oh sorry, i thought you were referring to replacing derse.

my bad.