The Decline in Quality of Today's Animation (Re: This Cartoon is SHIT)

[inexpediency]

This thread used to be so cool, and now it sucks.

This thread was so much better when I was 12

[Wheeeeeeatthins]

So I guess the moral of this story is that marketing trump creativity (like they seem to trump everything else in society) and the best you can hope for is to enjoy the shows you like for what they are and not expect anything too 'new and creative' to come from major studios?

no the moral is that the fishhook with your name on it is out there somewhere

there are large fishing operations that lure the majority of fish with industrial-grade bait and net them all at once, but you must look past them and not slow down your search by dwelling on how your fishing ground was better back in the day

just keep looking and you will find that independent fisher who caters to your taste with custom worms lures and jigs

[Mister Visceral]

This thread used to be so cool, and now it sucks.

This thread was so much better when I was 12

I think I like you even more than I like Wheaties. Which is to say, Wheeeeeeatthins. Me and you OTP all da way.

The Gendy Tartakofski Clone Wars. That was some cool stuff there. Anyone else with me?

Remember the Gendy Tartakofski ANYTHING? Can I hear a hollah for Samurai Jack?

We'll try and have better opinions for you in the future

You take me far too seriously.

[AProcrastinatingWriter]

We'll try and have better opinions for you in the future

You take me far too seriously.

As do you. Holla!

[Quirk]

Holla indeed.

"Once upon a time there was a little girl named Little Red Hood, who had gigantic flaming eyebrows!"

[myu2k2]

Samuri Jack was awesome, but suffered from "canceled by non-marketability"...... It's renewal contract was dependent on the season-one DVD sales, it didn't do as well as CN wanted it to and was not renewed.

The Clone Wars cartoon was soo good, it made me feel even worse about the movies. Really, Greivous was such a baddass in the cartoon, then took a level of suck in the movies, and maxed out on suckage in the CGI Clone Wars cartoon.

[inexpediency]

This thread used to be so cool, and now it sucks.

This thread was so much better when I was 12

I think I like you even more than I like Wheaties. Which is to say, Wheeeeeeatthins. Me and you OTP all da way.

Awww shucks. But I just can't compete with the world's tastiest snack cracker (that is to say, a smart guy who I respect a lot shhhhh)

But on the topic of cartoons, why does it seem like the better-quality shows have poorer DVD sales (and are often thus cancelled)? This seems to happen a lot with live-action shows, too. I'm genuinely curious, and I can't really think of anything that would explain it, other than "better" shows just being less popular. But I don't really think that's the case, most of the time.

[Wheeeeeeatthins]

Explained here.

People who've honed their tastes and sensibilities and require more detailed and thought-intensive media are not as common as people who enjoy the standard 3-camera laugh-track sitcom (because developing tastes and being critical of things takes effort). There're more people in the middle of the bell curve; these people can be put off by thought-intensive shows or films (How many people do you know that watched Inception went "I had a hard time following it!" despite the layerings being easily distinguished from each other? Give those people a copy of the more-complex Synechdoche, New York and see how they like that).

As the great prophet Sean Corey Carter once said:

[inexpediency]

Synechdoche, New York

I...think I need to check out this movie; it looks really interesting.

But anyway, yeah, I guess that makes sense. It still annoys me, though, when really good shows are canceled for stupid reasons (even if some of them are eventually brought back)

[Cervos]

>:I

Inversely, while i'm not an incredible fan of the show, I do enjoy the art style of this show:



Maybe it's because Sandra Equihua does a good job of that Dia De Los Muertos Calavera look.



He does some animations for MAD now too.

[Ed]

Sigh

[Wheeeeeeatthins]

Hey, Ed, they gave the representative of SpaceMexico from that awful giant robot show with the 2-minute transformation sequence his own cartoon filled authentic mexican culture staples, like hard tacos and volcanos!

I really don't know who thought the world needed a Lucha Libre! retread (did anyone watch Lucha Libre in the first place)

but the last still of that video says it best:

thak's for read my post

[Cervos]

Heeey, G Gundam was

uh

okay.

I mean, the prospect of it was really silly with the Country themed gundams, but the control system was my favorite in the series. using a motion capture suit to preform flips makes more sense than pulling levers and flipping switches.

EDIT:

I never realized how sexual the female protagonist sounds when she tries putting on the skintight rubber suit for the first time.

[Ed]

I really don't know who thought the world needed a Lucha Libre! retread (did anyone watch Lucha Libre in the first place)

I'm afraid to say it got kinda popular for a while here, they even got their own brief period of pogs in chips (or tazos as they call 'em here).

I'm still as flummoxed as i was back then by the fact that the real people the caricatures were based on found the thing funny or entertaining. I dunno maybe i'm just oversensitive or dumb.

DON'T UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF A WOMAN!

I think the motion capture rubber suit is just as senseless as levers and switches, a joystick is far more realistic and less retarded, Megas XLR got it right.

[williamcll]

>:I

Inversely, while i'm not an incredible fan of the show, I do enjoy the art style of this show:



Maybe it's because Sandra Equihua does a good job of that Dia De Los Muertos Calavera look.



He does some animations for MAD now too.

I have never seen this show before

[myu2k2]

ANA and El Tigre i think fall into that "mediocer" catagory.... I don't care much for either of them, mostly because they bring nothing new (imho)

as for G Gundam. It has its moments where it is really cool, but then there is that plate of cheese that is always there on the table. I really liked the show when I was younger, watching it on Toonami. But then i was prob still high on awesome from Gundam Wing. I still make fun of the "Shining FINGER"... 10 years later. It does have one of the best control systems i've seen in a gundam series.

[Triangle Man]

I just have a habit of watching/reading everything regardless of quality.

I feel I need to balance out my crap with more interesting/thought intensive media. But even the mediocre/crappy stuff could teach me about the kinds of things that have been done already, how I can make a show interesting, the strenghts and weaknesses of different programs, etc.

El Tigre had a nice artistic style, even if the show itself was underwhelming. I may have watched the other cartoon Lucha Libre show because I am an idiot who didn't have a good taste in programing back in the day?

And may or may not have improved it now?

Maybe I have no taste.

Also, I had no problem following Inception's dream layers at all (to be honest, I really enjoyed the movie). They had the 'Real World', the 'Rainy City World', the 'Zero-G Hotel World', the 'Mountain Base World' and the 'Decayed City World'. At various points different characters stayed behind in each 'World' to help the others escape, and whenever the action switched between 'Worlds' you could just assume that that 'World' was where the action was occurring at the time.

How did people have problems following it? Did the world transitioning throw them off that much?

[myu2k2]

One of my coworkers followed the "world changing" pretty well, what he said messed him up about the movie is the mechanics of it. He said that he couldn't understand how things worked until he watched it again... On the other hand, i had to explain to him what was going on in Halloween 2 (the Rob Zombie one), step by step, cause he couldn't understand the ending.... He's not much of a deep thinker, but he likes watching weird things for weirdness sake, just not when they require more thinking then normal.

He's obsessed with Evangelion and anything with Gundam in the title. The mindscrewiness of Eva he didn't "get" all the way either, but just likes the giant robots and fighting. :| There are far too many people of his ilk in this world.

[SleepingOrange]

Why Gennedy Tartakovsky Will Never Work For Cartoon Network Again

I had no idea Sym-Bionic Titan was a Genndy Tartakovsky creation. Mostly because I saw the commercials and hated the character designs so much I never even gave it a look.

Which is pretty disappointing, because one of my favorite things about Tartakovsky shows were there engaging character designs.

[Obselescence]

I think the motion capture rubber suit is just as senseless as levers and switches, a joystick is far more realistic and less retarded

I think joysticks only work with video game robots because premade animations typically don't have to deal with the consequences of terrain collision. :S

This all assuming that giant humanoid robots are functional/practical in the first place.

[Superfrequency]

Can I hear a hollah for Samurai Jack?

I marathoned it a little while ago and I was disappointed with how many weak episodes there were. Lazy writing.

At its best it's very cool, but there are precious few standout episodes.

[Gzar]

I don't think there is one episode of Samurai Jack that I didn't love. The episodes normally take a lot of setup time and, as a result, excel in world building and character development. The some, the art and the writing all contributes to setting up each episode's rather unique atmosphere.

But that's just my pretension gland secreting.

[Triangle Man]

no the moral is that the fishhook with your name on it is out there somewhere

there are large fishing operations that lure the majority of fish with industrial-grade bait and net them all at once, but you must look past them and not slow down your search by dwelling on how your fishing ground was better back in the day

just keep looking and you will find that independent fisher who caters to your taste with custom worms lures and jigs

I just saw this post now and I will say that if I take anything away from this thread, it will be this. Thanks for the awesome analogy.

On that note, I think I'll need to give that 'Sym-Bionic Titan' show a spin now as well. Most of the shows I've started watching recently have been done on whims, but the premise of this one sounds interesting enough that I feel the need to give it a shot.

One of my coworkers followed the "world changing" pretty well, what he said messed him up about the movie is the mechanics of it. He said that he couldn't understand how things worked until he watched it again... On the other hand, i had to explain to him what was going on in Halloween 2 (the Rob Zombie one), step by step, cause he couldn't understand the ending.... He's not much of a deep thinker, but he likes watching weird things for weirdness sake, just not when they require more thinking then normal.

He's obsessed with Evangelion and anything with Gundam in the title. The mindscrewiness of Eva he didn't "get" all the way either, but just likes the giant robots and fighting. :| There are far too many people of his ilk in this world.

Weird things can be awesome regardless of whether or not you know what's going on.

I don't think it's wrong to be interested in spectacle in and of itself, but I guess the problem is that most people are only interested in spectacle, correct?

[Cervos]

Half the time the episodes start in like, something.

Making me question "Wait how the fuck did you get there Jack, what are you doiiiiing."

But it was still a great show. Symbiotic Titan was p cool too. I was wondering what happened to it. I liked Ilana the best, mostly because I like girls with short hair like I like my men with musclezzzzzz

[Gzar]

I think Sym-Biotic got a bit cliché at times, but it was still a nice show and, in its best moments, some of the finest programming Cartoon Network has ever offered. It was the midpoint between Megas and Jack and had it continued it might have surpassed either.