How about that Anime and Manga

[Drillgorg]

I just finished FMA:B today. So when I glanced back at this page from Homestuck, I went OH NO!

[The_Codfish]

Everything's come full circle.

[safetyboots]

Oh, Zatch Bell!!

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Everyone should watch the anime AND read the manga!

Rei a hideous eldritch lillith-thing with no human characteristics. Asuka a trans man. Mari overweight.

I really hope you're not comparing transgender and overweight with an abomination.

Anyway, you're completely missing the point.

[Triangle Man]

Oh, Zatch Bell!!

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Everyone should watch the anime AND read the manga!

Fun Fact - I haven't been 'into' Zatch Bell for a while now, and this scene still makes me crack a grin every time I see it.

YOU CAN'T DENY THE POWER OF THE MELON!!!

[Grand Mal]

Oh, Zatch Bell!!

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Everyone should watch the anime AND read the manga!

I really hope you're not comparing transgender and overweight with an abomination.

Anyway, you're completely missing the point.

God no. I was just trying to get as far away from the misogynistic, ephebophillic stick-thin portraits that otaku like to jack off to. Should clarify that.

And how am I missing the point?

[Shockwave]

What does Kamen Rider count as?

[CowboyBaccano]

Im pretty sure Kamen Rider is live action

@Grand It reminded me of Zatch and his shield that reflected attacks

[safetyboots]

Yeah, Zatch Bell! is a really funny, hearth-warming and action-packed show with kids beating, torturing, traumatizing and murdering themselves. On an unrelated note, Shin-chan:

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God no. I was just trying to get as far away from the misogynistic, ephebophillic stick-thin portraits that otaku like to jack off to. Should clarify that.

Sorry, I had to ask. Thanks.

And how am I missing the point?

I believe the intention of shows like Evangelion is to play archetypes, tropes and conventions and deconstruct them.

[Grand Mal]

Yeah, Zatch Bell! is a really funny, hearth-warming and action-packed show with kids beating, torturing, traumatizing and murdering themselves. On an unrelated note, Shin-chan:

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Sorry, I had to ask. Thanks.


I believe the intention of shows like Evangelion is to play archetypes, tropes and conventions and deconstruct them.

That was the original intent, and I loved the show for it. But ever since EoE, Anno's idea has been pretty but tearing those conventions down in an effort to spite the vocal minority of Otaku. I don't mean to be rude to fans, I consider myself a fan.

[ArmsAreLoud]

Actually EoE is an exploration of the duality of man

Series Finale Shinji is the "good" self-aware Shinji that mans the fuck up and finds satisfaction in himself rather than continue to seek it out in others

EoE Shinji is the "bad" Shinji that is completely overwhelmed by the adult problems that face him and seeks support from others while selfishly ignoring the fact that they have their own issues to deal with and never stops believing the world should revolve him and lashes out against it when it reminds him it doesn't

Basically EoE is fucking brilliant but can only be seen as such in comparison to the original series, it's like if you read a book and then there's the ending but then after the story finishes there's an excerpt that's like "this is how it could have ended if the main character really sucked" and that excerpt is EoE

I've only seen the first two movies of Rebuild so I can't really judge it at this point

[Grand Mal]

Actually EoE is an exploration of the duality of man

Series Finale Shinji is the "good" self-aware Shinji that mans the fuck up and finds satisfaction in himself rather than continue to seek it out in others

EoE Shinji is the "bad" Shinji that is completely overwhelmed by the adult problems that face him and seeks support from others while selfishly ignoring the fact that they have their own issues to deal with and never stops believing the world should revolve him and lashes out against it when it reminds him it doesn't

Basically EoE is fucking brilliant but can only be seen as such in comparison to the original series, it's like if you read a book and then there's the ending but then after the story finishes there's an excerpt that's like "this is how it could have ended if the main character really sucked" and that excerpt is EoE

I've only seen the first two movies of Rebuild so I can't really judge it at this point

...Okay. I don't think I said anything that directly contradicted that.

[safetyboots]

I agree, I don't think the intention behind EoE was merely to spite the fandom.

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Actually EoE is an exploration of the duality of man

Series Finale Shinji is the "good" self-aware Shinji that mans the fuck up and finds satisfaction in himself rather than continue to seek it out in others

EoE Shinji is the "bad" Shinji that is completely overwhelmed by the adult problems that face him and seeks support from others while selfishly ignoring the fact that they have their own issues to deal with and never stops believing the world should revolve him and lashes out against it when it reminds him it doesn't

Basically EoE is fucking brilliant but can only be seen as such in comparison to the original series, it's like if you read a book and then there's the ending but then after the story finishes there's an excerpt that's like "this is how it could have ended if the main character really sucked" and that excerpt is EoE

I've only seen the first two movies of Rebuild so I can't really judge it at this point

Now that you mention it, they make terrible decisions and don't reach the conclusion of the TV series. I should have paid more attention to EoE. Anyway, I say "they" because, while Shinji is the main character, the decisions and actions of others are substantial, especially those of Asuka and Misato - the Finale is about them too, after all. I also only watched the first two Rebuild movies, but I think I can venture a little into what they mean: this time the characters not only come to a conclusion earlier, but they adopt a much more active stance and dramatically change their reality. However, taking control of their own lives will lead to what kind of outcome? Hahaha, now I'm excited to know how it ends!

[ArmsAreLoud]

...Okay. I don't think I said anything that directly contradicted that.

Not directly, but you seem to believe (correct me if I'm wrong here) that EoE exists only to spite the less cultured members of the Eva fandom. I disagree; the original ending and End of Evangelion are two parts of the same whole, neither quite works as a completed piece of art without the other (though EoE definitely relies on the original finale's existence more). The jabs at the fandom are Anno saying that this is your (as in the shitty fans, not you as in you Grand Mal) Shinji; this is the Shinji you asked for and this is you.

And you are so fucked up.

So basically it's less of a straight troll and more of a clever deconstruction of the whole "audience avatar" thing you get with most any action show that features an adolescent protagonist.

[Tirgo]

all i know is that evangelion makes me feel like shooting myself whenever i watch it for more than ten minutes at a time