How Do You Kill Lord English?

[Enceladus]

So Lord English = DMK?

Yessssssss.

And John WILL use Sepulchritude.

[OrangeAipom]

You can never have enough dakka ya git.

Exactly. LE's gotta give out sometime, and all the kids have to do is use an infinite ammo hack.

[saltywaters]

Easy, Just say "I don't believe in Lord English"

Kill all of the Felt first though, otherwise they'd revive him by clapping and proclaiming their belief in him.

[liefErikson]

I'd just try to give LE a friendship aneurysm and hope for the best.

[Quirk]

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No no, needs more dakka.

We shall fire shipping charts at him until he drowns in them.

[Diffractor]

So far, the existing serious ideas are the Time Portal Black Hole plan, the Destroy the Server in the Furthest Ring plan, the Make 2 Alpha Timelines plan, and the Prevent His Summoning plan. The silly ideas are the More Dakka, Power of Friendship, Half-Brick in a Sock, and Stop Believing plans. Here is another silly plan and a serious plan. My silly idea is to simply stop writing about Lord English any more in the story, causing him to permanently vanish into a massive PLOT HOLE, never to return. My new serious idea is to find Stitch's Lord English effigy, if it exists, or Die's Lord English pin, and keep it in reserve to be destroyed/used only in a moment of utmost need, when the fate of the universe is at stake. However, it doesn't involve excessive time shenanigans, so I doubt it would work for long. But maybe there is a way to somehow use those items along with time travel to kill Lord English in another overly complicated way. See if you can find some way of using those items.

[Patrick]

~ath code that creates the code that summons English.
Bound to the lifetime of Lord English himself.

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Problem, English?

[ChronoSamurai]

ALL OF THE ABOVE? AT THE SAME TIME. Otherwise it won't work.

[La Diable]

Easy. After the Scratch, Lord English will spawn in the new universe but will forget to set his invincibility flag. Rose will cast magic missile at him and kill him.

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it's how Lord British was killed in Ultma Online

[jacobin mutterings]

Easy. After the Scratch, Lord English will spawn in the new universe but will forget to set his invincibility flag. Rose will cast magic missile at him and kill him.

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it's how Lord British was killed in Ultma Online

Alternatively, wait until he paths out into the Britannia Castle courtyard and click on the sign above the doorway to drop it on his head.

YES, AVATAR, THAT WAS THE CORRECT THING TO DO

[NullEntropy]

IDE/Theory: As what will likely be the climax of Homestuck, the defeat of Lord English will involve tremendous dramatic irony as well as a meta-narrative gag, possibly involving Disc 2 in some way. DS may not have fixed it completely, creating a glitch in HS itself, leaving LE not quite indestructible. (Of course that by itself is kinda boring and whatever really happens is sure to be much more convoluted and awesome.)

[Sn0wchild]

Bravo Deffractor. I especially like the idea where you trap Lord English in a box of time/space walls a la Problem Sleuth style.
You put that demon back in the box.
Chaos dunk it like nobodies business.
I wonder if a 5th and 6th wall will be introduced in the story later to make an actual box if this will be the case.

However, I doubt LE is going to just sit in the sky and just take it.
So the kids and trolls are going to have to throw something at him AS A DISTRACTION, for this plan to work.
Perhaps they can recycle the idea Aradia used to beat the Black King: bringing back doomed players.
Or
Temporarily cheat death and return dead players to the fray for back up.

[demosthenes2k8]

I dunno, I always figured that LE was more Meta. Paradox space is a thing, yes, and all of the universes are merely a part of one Meta-verse. This Metaverse contains the single Green Sun, all the Horrorterrors (preventing most Universe-mingling) and LE. If this is the case, then there's only one of him, but he exists at all possible points of reality. The only way to kill him is simple:

import demon LE;
import star Green Sun;
import universe THIS;
~ATH(Green Sun||THIS) {
} EXECUTE(LE.die());
Green Sun.die();
THIS.die();

We know that the kids are attempting to destroy the Green Sun, so that should satisfy that ~ATH loop, or otherwise the Scratch should handle the THIS portion.

[temporalPeregrine]

Since this theory seems to be good, I'm not going to read it just in case it's actually true.

Actually i'm just lazy.

[PaladinFoster]

You can't kill Lord English. He's the embodiment of entropy, an inescapable aspect of the universe itself. Killing Lord English is comparable to killing time or gravity.

[ChronoSamurai]

Bravo Deffractor. I especially like the idea where you trap Lord English in a box of time/space walls a la Problem Sleuth style.
You put that demon back in the box.
Chaos dunk it like nobunnies business.
I wonder if a 5th and 6th wall will be introduced in the story later to make an actual box if this will be the case.

Fixerized.
Aside, from that, a box made from 6 of the walls would be awesome. What about a vriska-style 8^y structure though? Just because more walls=more fun.

[rj lake]

with a gun

[orngjce223]

I like this theory. It reminds me of when I used to close books most of the way through, draw elaborate flow charts of what might happen next in the story, and then compare the rest of the book to what I thought would happen.

This is a good exercise to spot deus ex machina-type things, by the way.

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There's also my personal theory that LE destroying universes is needed so the constant creating by Skaia doesn't cause the universes to start coliding with each other so the Sburb cycle would need to be taken care of too. But that's beside the point.

My personal (but extremely unlikely, so I'm receptive) theory is that Sburb was created, and then propagated, because LE was destroying universes. Apparently someone decided an extremely convoluted knotty mess of temporally unstable ~ATH (that happened to create universes) was the key to making sure intelligent life didn't die out. Just leave the game running on "auto-regenerate" so that it sends its game copies to the universes it created and you get a lot more universes, so LE can't eat every single universe ever... right?

[Lord Ascapelion]

You can't kill Lord English. He's the embodiment of entropy, an inescapable aspect of the universe itself. Killing Lord English is comparable to killing time or gravity.

That's as good of a guess as any, but I really don't think the story so far has suggested such a thing at all. I personally thing he's just a really powerful entity who eats universes. Also, the story itself has outright stated that he is only killable through spacetime glitches. (But it has also outright stated that he's indestructible, so...?)

Who knows, you could still be right. There's been so little information dropped on Lord English so far that any guess is fair game. (Wait, that's another thread, d'oh.)

My guess has always been that John channels the creative energy of Skaia itself to gain the power to fight LE, but that's a bit Deus Ex Machina-ish. I really like OP's idea, though.

[P_equals_NP]

My theory is that Sburb created LE to destroy the universes it was making, and then LE invented Sburb to create more universes for him to devour. In one great giant time loop.

[Sn0wchild]

Bravo Deffractor. I especially like the idea where you trap Lord English in a box of time/space walls a la Problem Sleuth style.
You put that demon back in the box.
Chaos dunk it like nobunnies business.
I wonder if a 5th and 6th wall will be introduced in the story later to make an actual box if this will be the case.

Fixerized.
Aside, from that, a box made from 6 of the walls would be awesome. What about a vriska-style 8^y structure though? Just because more walls=more fun.

Lord English is now a bunny. And will always be a bunny to me until proven otherwise.

Also the image of LE being trapped in an 8-sided die box is hilarious. He will only be used for the finest of tabletop games.

Also, also I just realized that 8^y looks like a face from SBaHJ. Does this mean they will be the ones to stop Lord English?!?! How HIGH do you even have to BE to make this work?!

[Diffractor]

I have an idea, but it critically depends on the following question. What happens to alternate timelines? I strongly suspect the earlier theory about alpha timelines being ones that either lead to the creation of a universe and the creation of Lord English, or ones that lead to a sucessful scratch, is true. But then what ends up happening to all those alternate timeline branches along the way? Please give it your best guess.

[PaladinFoster]

You can't kill Lord English. He's the embodiment of entropy, an inescapable aspect of the universe itself. Killing Lord English is comparable to killing time or gravity.

That's as good of a guess as any, but I really don't think the story so far has suggested such a thing at all. I personally thing he's just a really powerful entity who eats universes. Also, the story itself has outright stated that he is only killable through spacetime glitches. (But it has also outright stated that he's indestructible, so...?)

Who knows, you could still be right. There's been so little information dropped on Lord English so far that any guess is fair game. (Wait, that's another thread, d'oh.)

My guess has always been that John channels the creative energy of Skaia itself to gain the power to fight LE, but that's a bit Deus Ex Machina-ish. I really like OP's idea, though.

I always hear references to Deus Ex Machina, but I NEVER UNDERSTAND THEM.

[Lord Ascapelion]

You can't kill Lord English. He's the embodiment of entropy, an inescapable aspect of the universe itself. Killing Lord English is comparable to killing time or gravity.

That's as good of a guess as any, but I really don't think the story so far has suggested such a thing at all. I personally thing he's just a really powerful entity who eats universes. Also, the story itself has outright stated that he is only killable through spacetime glitches. (But it has also outright stated that he's indestructible, so...?)

Who knows, you could still be right. There's been so little information dropped on Lord English so far that any guess is fair game. (Wait, that's another thread, d'oh.)

My guess has always been that John channels the creative energy of Skaia itself to gain the power to fight LE, but that's a bit Deus Ex Machina-ish. I really like OP's idea, though.

I always hear references to Deus Ex Machina, but I NEVER UNDERSTAND THEM.

Deus Ex Machina is Latin for "God in the Machine." It comes from Greek and Roman plays where a god would literally be lowered onstage with a machine and would solve all the problems and unresolved issues. In modern fiction, it usually refers to some force outside the main plot coming in and resolving the conflict. Arguably, if the main characters have little or not hand in plot resolution, you could possibly consider that a Deus Ex Machina as well. It can be pretty subjective, but if the resolution is especially unsatisfying and smacks of
cop-out", you might be more prone to calling it Deus Ex Machina.

(Sorry if I sounded a bit condescending, there. I just went off of the assumption you've never heard of the concept before.)

More info from our friends at TVTropes: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph.../DeusExMachina

[ChronoSamurai]

Bravo Deffractor. I especially like the idea where you trap Lord English in a box of time/space walls a la Problem Sleuth style.
You put that demon back in the box.
Chaos dunk it like nobunnies business.
I wonder if a 5th and 6th wall will be introduced in the story later to make an actual box if this will be the case.

Fixerized.
Aside, from that, a box made from 6 of the walls would be awesome. What about a vriska-style 8^y structure though? Just because more walls=more fun.

Lord English is now a bunny. And will always be a bunny to me until proven otherwise.

Also the image of LE being trapped in an 8-sided die box is hilarious. He will only be used for the finest of tabletop games.

Also, also I just realized that 8^y looks like a face from SBaHJ. Does this mean they will be the ones to stop Lord English?!?! How HIGH do you even have to BE to make this work?!

Based off this reference here http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scr...p?s=6&p=005687 8^y has always been a link to SBAHJ (consider the phrasing and yellow panel). How closely it ties to LE/DC is up for anyone's guess. 8^y though is important as 8 seems to be the Troll Ancestors arc number and possibly the number of players in the new session. Also 8^y = 16,777,216 which is a pretty cool number what with the lucky 7s and reverse 612.

Um... I'm rambling? Whatever, Lord English is Liv Tyler, that much is sure.