Wow... That was kinda nuts. I think you should keep attempting crazy stuff and see what happens. It's good to explore in dissonance, and w/ different rhythms. It's kinda rambly at the end, but w/, you did establish a cool atmosphere.
I've been working in noteflight for basically the whole time I've been writing music, which has been nice for learning notation and stuff but means that I know nothing about mastering and picking samples, or even what program to use. Does anyone have advice for where to start? The piece I'd like to start mastering is here (It's still a work in progress, but I like it wuite a bit so far): http://www.noteflight.com/scores/vie...9b756b1e9bbe41
Thanks for any advice!
Rnd, the piece you posted is a great example of what I have no idea how to do, or even how to start. That said, it sounds awesome!
Being rambly is definitely my biggest weakness. It's something I've been trying to correct, and I think I'm better than I used to be, but I still have a ways to go. So, thanks for the critique!
Yeah, the drums are a bit weak at parts, aren't they? I used timpani for the deep parts, but this song was a pain to level properly, and I think I lowered the drums too far. :/
Also, there's distortion on the drum kit, and while it made it sound lower-bit, it might have taken some of the punch too. Oh well, I can mess with that.
Your piece is pretty cool! I like less common time signatures, and I like the melody. I just wish it was longer (or maybe I'm only seeing part of it because I don't have an account?). As for mastering it, I would suggest making the main melody clearer if you can. It's pretty clear throughout, but it gets a little muddled during measures 13-14 just because of all the stuff going on. The volume of the supporting stuff could maybe be lowered a bit. This isn't an issue, and if you like it that way, then leave it. That's just a suggestion.
As for software suggestions, I can't say. There's just too much out there, and different people will give you different answers.
I would highly recommend getting some demos or watching videos or something to see what you might like. Some big ones are FL Studio, Cakewalk, Reaper, Sony Acid, Finale, and Pro Tools. Each one has different interfaces, different strengths and weaknesses, and depending on what you want to do some will be better than others.
So, try some out. If you already have and are still on edge, FL Studio seems to be pretty standard. People who use it seem to love it. I can't say on the matter, but there you go.
Hope my inane rambling was helpful, and good luck!
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There's also pxtone and Famitracker for chiptunes, plus you missed out Reason and Abelton.
I think that between what Veritas and I said, you have your bases covered. But here, so you don't miss any, this wikipedia article has a list of both commercial and free/open source DAWs at the bottom of the page. Even that is probably not a complete list, but it should have all of the most common/best options.
Not all of the examples on that page can record MIDI that well/at all (assuming you want to record MIDI), but most of them should have some capability. Though, in my limited experience/knowledge, free/open source ones tend to have significantly less functionality. Also, most of them on that page are for Linux, so not helpful.
Again, hope this is helpful.
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You'll just have to mess around and find good sites, sounds, etc.
And sorry, I can't vouch for any set in particular.
Sorry. Hope those sites are decent. If not, just search "free FL Studio soundfonts" in google or something and you'll get TONS of results.
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I made a Doctor remix. Basically my second time remixing a Homestuck song.
I feel as thought I could have made the transitions better, but that is something I will address later.
Agree with you on the transitions needing to be better, Joe. It's a fantastically kicking remix!
I think I had some qualms with the section before the bass comes back in with the kit. It just seemed really middle heavy, with no upper or lower, and that made the section lose support. I know you were trying to bring back the sweeping bassline, but it just felt to me like it was a little open and exposed there. Maybe some low -insert choice of wave here- that fades out as the sweeping bass fades in?
Other than that, truly a fantastic remix.
Sorry this isn't necessarily homestuck (SHOULD be, WOULD HAVE been if Tomita had been born thirty years later), But I'm trying to do over all of Suite Bergamasque (It's been done, but the arrangement is pretty obscure) for full orchestra (as far as I'm concerned, using Descant Recorder is NOT cheating). Unfortunately, due to sibellius student's 12-saff rule, there is no percussion. There will be, but it will take a while.
Otherwise, I'm just looking for feedback, especially how I could make it better represent Debussy's work.
One thing is that the songs seem to be mastered to different levels. Albums are all usually mastered to the same level. It's not a huge deal, as they're not widely varying.
A few notes about individual songs...
adVANCEd Cass: THIS MELODY IS SO FAMILIAR. WHY DO I KNOW IT? The song is pretty groovy, but it bothers me because I can't figure out why it feels familiar. I'm gonna be thinking about that all night now. :/
Libra Draconia: This reminds me vaguely of the Mario Invincibility song for some unknown reason. It's that part in the middle with the swung melody and the up-and-down chord changes. The later, dissonant parts are kinda crazy.
Capricopia: O_O holy crap. Those horns... So psycho...
Cantankerous and Cancerous: LOL that voice. Awesome. This is psycho crazy too, but it fits Karkat in a weird way I can't explain. I like how hectic it is. Nice.
Voluptuous Virgo: This makes me think of Runescape. It's nice and calming. The dissonance doesn't always seem to fit really well here to me. I like it for the most part, but it just seems kind of unnecessary at times.
Arsenicum - Dead Song: The melody bell that kicks in after the intro is SO much louder than the rest of the song. It was uncomfortable to listen to in my headphones. The song was cool though. I like the buzzy synth that kicks in later.
Good Job Dick Prince: WHY ARE THERE SO MANY FREAKY SONGS ON THIS ALBUM?! :P
The intro on this one is kinda O_O. So is that similar part in the middle. Again, it might be a bit overboard. It's fitting, but it's kinda much sometimes for me.
OPtimus Prime - The Four: The intro is purty. I really like it. It doesn't seem to have much to do with the rest of the song though. The two parts are cool, but I don't know if they really connect enough.
Going English: scary. Scary. SCARY! OH GOD MAKE IT STOP! :P
This is like Giygas on crack. That's all there is to say on the matter.
Corporate Take-Over (Made of Life): Nice intro. I like some of the dissonances here. They're there, but they're not overwhelming. I really like this song.
For Whom The Bells Troll: Why? Why are you so good at making freaky songs? Just why?
This one is freaky and awesome at the same time. I like the heavy emphasis on piano, and some of the weird effects.
The Andrew Hussie Additive: This is really cool. I like the chord structure. It has a lot of unity, too. Very nice. Maybe a bit long, but hey, I like long.
FINAL VERDICT: Very cool. Definitely worth a listen/download. The whole album made me think "man, what kind of awesome insanity can I expect from the next song?" There are some mastering issues, and the dissonance can get to be a bit much after awhile, but overall I loved it.
This gets the Rnd Seal of Approval. I know that's worth practically nothing, but hopefully it convinces people to give this a shot.
I would also like to say that I really, REALLY like Passepied.
I know that comparing this to Passepied is epically unfair. So forgive me if I seem a bit rough...
It doesn't seem nearly as strong. But I don't think it's your fault. I listened to the official orchestral version, and that doesn't seem as strong, either. There's a reason it's rare: I would bet it wasn't received terribly well. It doesn't pack the same punch.
What I where this arrangement mainly suffers is that the strings playing the arpeggios are too legato, especially in the beginning. If you listen to the piano version (and I know you're not trying to be like it), the notes of the arpeggio are each nice and clear. The notes are pretty staccato, it's just that they're played so fast that they blend together nicely. But they still retain a certain independence from the notes around them. I much prefer this to the legato strings personally. I think this could be fixed with percussion if you ever get it to work, unless you really like the legato strings.
Same for the recorder. Piano has a very distinct sound to it, as each note strike has almost a percussion element to it. For lack of a better description, you can almost hear kind of a beat to each played note if that makes sense. They have a high attack value. Strings, on the other hand, smoothly go from note to note. Even staccato or pizzicato strings don't have the same nice attack as piano. Recorder is the same way. Obviously not every piece needs this sensation, but I think Passepied is better with than without. It gives the piece a greater sense of rhythm in my mind, and gives each note more punch. Again, percussion accents could help rekindle this feeling.
For that matter, none of the instruments really feel like they pack the same punch, except for some of the pizzicato strings, and even those could be improved w/ drums.
Again, this is kind of unfair. Maybe I'm trying to be too close to the original. Sorry. I feel like a total jerk.
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Whew! Good feedback! As for the mastering, there really isnt much I can say on that matter besides: Yep, I kinda fucked that one up.
Trying different instrumentation to see what is lightest.
Also, Konec0, that is amazing. My only complaint is that the B section (I think it's the B section at least) melody seems a bit out of place.
Otherwise, this is awesome.
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I really like the odd drum effects in the background, and the combination of synths. Really cool!
Also, that pun made my head hurt.
Was there supposed to be a link there? Or are you just saying you're working on draft two? I can't tell. :/
In any case, good luck and don't give up on it!
How do you get all your instruments to sound like that?
Also, in response to the song description... I think we all feel like that. I certainly do ALL the time. I hope you don't give up/get too discouraged. Your stuff is good.
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here it is again with some minor changes.
Thanks for pointing that out!