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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    That is a problem I'm having with writing chapter two. It is pretty much all exposition, and although Iv'e been trying to keep guild names simple, it is getting a bit out of hand.
    Well, at least the exposition is mostly about the characters and not about the world.

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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    Quote Originally Posted by Dmatix View Post
    That is a problem I'm having with writing chapter two. It is pretty much all exposition, and although Iv'e been trying to keep guild names simple, it is getting a bit out of hand.
    Well, at least the exposition is mostly about the characters and not about the world.
    Try to tie exposition into details. Little things like clothing and mannerisms can help a lot, but keep them as just details. My standard is one paragraph of physical description for a character when introduced, so focus on the important things.

    If you're introducing a group, an easy way is to just go through one at a time when they gather, and introduce each as "[Name], the [Guild name]" and work from there. The details of the person should give implications of the guild they are a part of.

    For example, and I'm just making this up here, the guy from the Smiths wears common work clothing, with a hammer sewn on the shirt front. His hands are very visibly callused, some scars here and there. He has an odd way of speaking, odd way of standing, little weird details and quirks that imply that the Smiths are something like the freemasons.

    Stuff like that. Don't break into straight narrative exposition unless you really need to, and if you do, keep it to the point.
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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    Damn it, stop being so persuasive and insightful! Now Iv'e got quite a bit of rewriting to do.
    What you suggested is so much better than the way I went through with the exposition (namely introducing the characters in order of arrival, with about a paragraph and a half dedicated to each).

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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    Quote Originally Posted by Dmatix View Post
    Damn it, stop being so persuasive and insightful!
    NEVER.
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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    Welp, here is chapter two. I still feel it's a bit cumbersome, but it's certainly better than the first draft, thanks mostly to Quirk.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmatix View Post
    Welp, here is chapter two. I still feel it's a bit cumbersome, but it's certainly better than the first draft, thanks mostly to Quirk.

    Vast improvement here. A few grammar/spelling/spacing problems here and there, but not bad. Not bad at all.

    EDIT: HOLY SHIT 2000th post. That's 1k in two months what am I doing with my life.
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    Thanks!
    The spacing is mostly due to me copying the text from Word to the forums, and I'm working on the spelling and grammar.
    Hell, I got my 100+ post in about a week and a half. In some forums I didn't get to that in a year.

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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    Hi all. I've been posting on the fanfiction thread but no one has commented. I really want commentary, good or bad.
    This has only been edited by myself and someone who hasn't read Homestuck, so it is quite possible that it doesn't make sense. It is a short (by my standards) piece about the E%ecutor and the Disciple. I really hope it becomes cannon, but probably won't. There may be a part two, but it is also quite possible that there won't be.

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    It's not bad. The Disciple's dialog is pretty good, and the action is depicted quite well. I would however shorten the descriptions a bit, and maybe use the past tense instead of the present. It's a bit awkward to read as is.

    Edit: Also, chapter 3 is ready:



    E2: Added the Dey's Ballad:
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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    Hey, this looks like the thread to find out SHOULD I CONTINUE or SHOULD I CUT OFF MY HANDS AND FORGET I EVER HELD PRETENSIONS OF KNOWING THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE.

    So, I've been working on a Hemospectrum-Shift AU for a while now. I know AUs aren't exactly the best for fanfic, but after reading Red Dead Virgo via the TvTropes Fanfic page I felt... jealous, I guess, that someone else had successfully fleshed out the characters in an entirely new context, but kept them recognisable. So I decided to do it myself.

    I'm doing the intros before I decide if I want to do anything else. Establishing the characters was the part that interested me most about RDV

    Here's Equius:



    And Kanaya:



    Any takers?

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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    Well, I'm a bit new here to the fandom but the whole overall feel of Homestuck has been inspiring me to write lately, so I'm going to post a part of what I've been writing so far. And to any folks who decide to reply, don't hold back and be frank :3

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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    @Rudolph (In spoilers because it ran long.)


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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    Is it wrong to name a chapter the title "In Which Some Douchebag Explains Things" and then begin it with the line:
    ""Hi, I'm some douchebag and I'm going to explain things," says some douchebag." ...???

    (If it helps, the guy is kind of a douchebag and he spends a lot of time explaining things)

    EXCERPT

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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    @Freudian
    First of all, and I guess this is to everyone, NEVER STOP WRITING! If you enjoy it, write for goodness sakes. In other word, yes continue. I feel bad that it took so long for someone to get back to you, I didn't because I personally don't like bloodswaps. That is just a weird personal thing, I have no idea why it is, and it has nothing to do with your writing. To sum this up, I'm sorry I didn't even read it and a feel bad, but always write, and if your writing isn't good no one has to see it.

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    It really depends on the voice you have in the rest of your story. If your story is written ironically, then that is a perfect way to start a chapter titled: In Which Some Douchebag Explains Things. If you are writing seriously at all, which I suspect that you aren't, then yes, it would be wrong to start a chapter that way.

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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    I'm writing my first novel, which is linked in my sig, and I'm having trouble with the ending of the chapter. The rest of the chapter has already been written, but I have I yet to upload it because I am making corrections. In the rest of the chapter, Gambini is about to beat Cormeyer to death with a fireplace poker, but collapses as soon as he touches it, and drops dead. I am not sure if I should end the chapter there or continue on to a scene in which Cormeyer tells the police that he is going to stay on the case because they failed to take it on.

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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    Erm... I can't see your signature, wrinklerfudger.

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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    Quote Originally Posted by Kestral View Post
    Erm... I can't see your signature, wrinklerfudger.
    I deleted it a while ago, I guess I forgot to take this down. heh... Awkward

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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    Okay, I have come to a problem in the mythology of my story. In my story, all mythologies are, to some extent, true and coexistent. The greco-etrusco-roman gods live among the norse gods, who themselves got into a very long an unpleasant dispute with jesus and so on. The crossroads I have come to is with the Cthulhu Mythos, who, as monstrous entities who did not create humans in their own image within their mythos, really don't fit into my mythos , in which every god is actually a very powerful human wizard who got worshipers, except for the gnostic abrahamic religious entities who were alien wizards, blah blah blah (you guys read homestuck, you know that some good ideas sound stupid out of context)... Anyway, my idea for integration is that they are the inhabitants of the true afterlife, a hell so horrifying that it is standard practice amongst gods to establish a mock afterlife in a large, stable, uninhabitable region of space, where the dead of their faith can be preserved indefinitely as cheap, immortal magical constructs. I'm not sure if this sounds like a good idea, or if it seems to similar to something that has been done before etc.

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    'Sup dude broheim doppelgangers! I figured I may as well share something I wrote somewhat absent mindedly while watching the sun set from my room.
    It’s poetry, so it's sure to firmly establish my masculinity. I do however, fear that it lacks the regular structure of poetry, so it's a bit atypical in that regard.
    I am eager to get some criticism to see what I can focus on in further endeavors and improve in this!

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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    Quote Originally Posted by ThereWillBePayne View Post
    'Sup dude broheim doppelgangers! I figured I may as well share something I wrote somewhat absent mindedly while watching the sun set from my room.
    It’s poetry, so it's sure to firmly establish my masculinity. I do however, fear that it lacks the regular structure of poetry, so it's a bit atypical in that regard.
    I am eager to get some criticism to see what I can focus on in further endeavors and improve in this!

    I liked it. Though I usually write my poetry according to (some) rhyme structure, free-verse like this certainly has its place.
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    Argh! Structure is hard. Perhaps you could look over this piece and give some advice/criticism on how to structure it better? I have a feeling I should be limiting syllables per sentence, or at least length. I can't quite put my finger on it, but I know something in this is amiss.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ThereWillBePayne View Post
    Argh! Structure is hard. Perhaps you could look over this piece and give some advice/criticism on how to structure it better? I have a feeling I should be limiting syllables per sentence, or at least length. I can't quite put my finger on it, but I know something in this is amiss.

    First, let me say that I find your imagery compelling- you seem to have a knack for morning scenes. As for structure, I think the individual parts work well on their own (from "I woke at dawn" to "Gently swaying tall trees" for instance). The problem is they lack consistency when put together- see how much longer the last line is than the first. Now, you can choose to build a poem like this (from short to long), but in this case, you have very long lines ("It catches stained glass, the old and the new.") next to very short ones ("A clean slate,") which is something I find unappealing myself. This is more a matter of my personal taste, but it's worth keeping in mind.

    You are quite talented. I hope to see more from you.
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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    I wrote a poem that kind of ties into my novel, although on a mythological scale.

    spoiler'ed for religious blasphemy


    And yes, I realize it is crap, that is why I brought it here, for constructive criticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrinklefudger View Post
    I wrote a poem that kind of ties into my novel, although on a mythological scale.

    spoiler'ed for religious blasphemy


    And yes, I realize it is crap, that is why I brought it here, for constructive criticism.
    I wouldn't call in crap. The rhyme scheme is solid, if a bit monotonous. I think it's a case of choosing the wrong rhyming structure- rhyming couplets just don't serve as well for such a long piece. For this kind of poem, which, you say, is tied to a novel, I think the Ballad structure will work better-it was meant for story telling. Here is a classic example of it:

    Jésse had a wífe to móurn for his lífe,
    Three chíldren, théy were bráve;
    But the dírty little cóward that shót Mister Hóward
    Has láid Jesse Jámes in his gráve.

    “Ballad of Jesse James”

    The imagery is quite strong, and has a strong dualistic feel to it, like something out of the Zarathustra. It needs work, but it's not bad.
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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    When the stars are countless,
    like the tears you cried over one person.
    When it seems all is lost,
    that there will never be a tomorrow,
    and you can't help but wonder if you will ever feel alright.
    The sun feels like it's mocking you,
    illuminating yesterday's snow.
    Watching you dressed in black,
    burying your hero.
    Mocking you with joy,
    not knowing that the wooden case being lowered offered no closure.
    None.
    It only hurt more,
    ripping you apart and putting you together over and over again.
    It makes you numb,
    having only seen it once before,
    the same but younger,
    more innocent.
    But now,
    that is long gone.
    You are colder,
    you know what Death is.
    You understand so much,
    that you fear you will never be the same.
    You build a mask to save not only your sanity,
    but ease the minds of others.
    Think not of yourself but others.
    Think not of yourself but others.
    The words repeat,
    a broken record.
    You break down,
    wearing a necklace with his ashes.
    No one truly knows what's going on,
    no one will know that type of pain.
    Not as well as you do,
    Never as well as you.
    You, who later nearly brushes Death's touch,
    becoming tainted.
    A Tainted Angel,
    gazing at the stars,
    wondering when the end will come.
    (An orginal poem by myself. The subject mainly focuses on myself reflecting my grandpa's death as a viewer who did nothing.)
    I am not a saint, but I am not a sinner. Don't hate me for no reason, don't hate me just because you want to. Give me a reason. Just because I am small in size does not mean I am a doll. Just because I seem childish doesn't make me stupid or ignorant. I have probably experienced somethings you never will, given chances that you never had, and persevere through it all. I am not perfect, I am human.

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