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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    I really would like critique of this thing I made.

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    So, wait. Half of your review is telling me I need to prune everything down, and the other half says there is nothing relevant in order to propose a narrative. There's plenty of relevant stuff, the whole idea was to make worldbuilding a less expository process by sprinkling character and plot details into what amounts to a fairly normal afternoon for the kids.

    And from the look of your review, you didn't even bother to read the second chapter. I realize my writing can be a little dense, but if you didn't like it enough to read all the way through all you had to do was say so and I would not have had to put my work on hold for months waiting for this. As it is I am out a great deal of time for what amounts to "tldr;".

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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    This, please. I know it is crap, and I would be surprised if someone made a good review.

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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    Quote Originally Posted by HarMegidon View Post
    I really would like critique of this thing I made.
    I'm not sure where you're going with this either. I mean, you have some cool ideas, but I'm not sure if you're doing anything with them. You need more focus, and you need to decide what all this is actually for. Video game ideas? Stories? What?

    If it is for a series of stories, there's a lot you can improve upon with your writing. You should consider starting a new line or paragraph every time a character speaks so that it's easier to read. You really need to slow down and take your time describing things, set the scene and all that. You tried to include character introspective, expository dialogue and relationship development in a single paragraph. You breezed through a big, major encounter with the bad guy in four paragraphs, man, four.

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    I tried writing WQ's point of view, and not surprisingly, it was pretty hard. I haven't done odd POVs in a while, so I'm pretty unsure of this. Can anyone offer an opinion?

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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    I would like someone to take a look at what is linked in my signature. The fanfiction thread seems to be populated entirely with nice people. I need wood-chipper, not kindergarten teacher.
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    Pull punches? Y/N

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    N ==>

    Hazel: Rip into Zampanó.



    That was unusually abrupt, even for me. I wouldn't really blame you if you sort of avoided me from now on.
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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    I asked for abrupt and really, it's hard to be offended by criticism about a fanfiction. It's supposed to be a fun diversion, right? My work is not me, so I am not offended. Thank you for taking the time to write out a response at all.

    THAT SAID, here's my defensive rationalization:
    I was not aware that the canon session is the only one to be allowed. It always seemed silly to me for a planet of six billion to yield only one success. So part of my motivation was to sketch out what, exactly, a non-scratched, non-FirstGuardianSprite session would look like. SBURB seems like an interesting enough concept itself that it holds my interest, at least, without much need for extra embellishment in the form of trolls (for example).

    Chapter one is the only one to take place in the wide world; it is meant to show Johnny as utterly inept in combat and to indicate the general dynamic between him and Alison. Everything else in that chapter is essentially either (clumsy) foreshadowing or throwaway material that can be incorporated later if necessary. It seems weird to me that the Coach character stuck out to you... clearly something went wrong with the emphasis there.

    Chapter two is meant to introduce the third member of the session, as well as explore the utter ridiculousness of a game that actually interacts with reality. Honestly, if I installed a game and it actually moved things in the real world then bricks would be shat. It's kind of an unusual situation, and one I didn't think was considered in canon. So that was my "concept" for chapter two.

    Chapter three was my first crack at writing action in years. The goal was to bring someone into the game and move the plot forwards.

    Basically the gist of my critique isn't the style but the basic concept. Things Hussie can get away with are not things you can get away with. Fanfic needs a good reason. What does your fic tell us that isn't in canon? Where's the hook? It should be either in the first paragraph, or in the summary preceding the story.
    I guess I felt like my "good reason"' was something that would come out as the story progressed, but I suppose a basic synopsis wouldn't hurt. Essentially, I intend(ed?) to initiate a second session once the players enter the medium. The kids would each have a second set of Server/Player SBURB disks and the pattern of Server Player/Explorer Player would get turned around. Two sessions would be active inside of one another. In addition, the book House of Leaves is basically an exercise in (pretentious) creepypasta and that would greatly influence the worlds that Johnny visited. Also, ArtemisFowlSprite.

    Clearly, I haven't done enough to draw the attention of potential readers and I can't just assume people will read everything posted.

    Do you think it is worth it to continue this project at all, given the problems with the beginning?

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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    Quote Originally Posted by Zampanó View Post
    I would like someone to take a look at what is linked in my signature. The fanfiction thread seems to be populated entirely with nice people. I need wood-chipper, not kindergarten teacher.
    I have seen alternate sessions before and I have enjoyed some of them, so for me that's not a problem. But I still find it hard to care about this particular one.

    Part of it might be the setup. I know there is great temptation to describe something in detail, but Homestuck at least is generally known for a fast-paced style. Generally speaking, you are expected to give out an excellent and truly unique characterization within a single paragraph or you might as well not bother.

    And it's true that at least this early on I'm not seeing much about the session that's unique. Possibly that just means you have a long opening but that's still a problem. While you can get away with that in many fandoms, around here we've been rather spoiled.

    One other thing is that your characters' personalities aren't coming off very clearly. Thus far they look pretty much average, which is not a good thing when you're writing for people who got used to outrageously crisp personalities.

    Overall, it's all just somewhat too slow and everyone's too average. Find a way to speed it up and brighten it, or it might not attract the kind of interest you want it to.
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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    SeptimusMagistos gives a much clearer critique than me.

    As for the double session, I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean reversing the server/player dynamic, like Dave and Jade did, or creating a second Skaia in Skaia itself? Because if it's the latter, I'm not sure how that would work. Would the eventually created universe just stay in the incipisphere? Would the players be the same players? It's not totally clear from your description.
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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    Is this still a thing over here?
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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    Threads are only a thing if you post something. "Something" in this case is either a story or a critique, preferably both.
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    Oh, cause I kinda wanted someone to look at this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Embargo View Post
    Oh, cause I kinda wanted someone to look at this.

    To be honest, this internal voice doesn't feel at all conistent. Whenever I read a person narrating in first-person perspective, especially in present tense, I expect them to sound clearly like themselves. Whoever you're describing keeps switching between highly dramatic, stylized statements, and internal quips. It would read better if I could get a clearer sense of this person.
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    Oh, cause I kinda wanted someone to look at this.

    To be honest, this internal voice doesn't feel at all conistent. Whenever I read a person narrating in first-person perspective, especially in present tense, I expect them to sound clearly like themselves. Whoever you're describing keeps switching between highly dramatic, stylized statements, and internal quips. It would read better if I could get a clearer sense of this person.
    Alright, I'll keep this in mind. Thanks.
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    Um, it's not fiction material, but this can use some peer-reviewing. Not the system itself, but rather the way the article is written. It just needs to be clear, but seriously, my sights have been tainted by five days of prep work.


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    Isor:

    All of your stories get bogged down in minutia. Knowing every last detail of a fictional notation system for a fictional chess equivalent is not going to do anything to make your stories more interesting. It's just more fodder for obnoxious, psuedo-intellectual footnotes. You are not Terry Pratchett. Your fiction does not need footnotes. It is unreadable. Your notes are unreadable. Please remember that no one is ever going to care about your created worlds as much as you do unless you give them a damn good reason to, in the form of a story that is actually engaging.

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    I'm not really working on any story for this, if you understand. Drawing from previous experience I will keep No. 1. and No. 2. (mostly) separate and not-necessarily-equal.

    This is just for fun, you know! It would be fun if I could write something that would use this well, but my writing skills are not as strong as I wish it was and thus the whole Segregation of One and Two. It's just me, playing god and having fun and messing with the historians of the future.

    Not everything needs to be related -- that's what an index is for!

    So, if you have no previous knowledge of me and my works, and if you were handed this article to edit, what would you do?


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    Not read it. It's incredibly dense and I have no reason to care.

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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    You make points. Good ones.

    I have got to find a way to make things less dense, however. But the denser it gets, the harder it is to extricate from the situation! No one will (be able to) read it, and there will be no comments on how to make it less dense so it will still sink under water!

    This may have some impact on the final presentation of the Maronsai Tubes.

    (I actually written that article with no notes at all, completely by memory. God. Why can't my shoddy memory stay shoddy!?)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Isoraqathedh View Post
    Um, it's not fiction material, but this can use some peer-reviewing. Not the system itself, but rather the way the article is written. It just needs to be clear, but seriously, my sights have been tainted by five days of prep work.
    Using my experience of reading technical material, this is not one of the better articles I've read. Presumably it could be useful to someone who already had a working knowledge of the other notation mentioned, but if it's intended for beginners, I'm having trouble absorbing the information.
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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    Quote Originally Posted by Isoraqathedh View Post
    You make points. Good ones.

    I have got to find a way to make things less dense, however. But the denser it gets, the harder it is to extricate from the situation! No one will (be able to) read it, and there will be no comments on how to make it less dense so it will still sink under water!

    This may have some impact on the final presentation of the Maronsai Tubes.

    (I actually written that article with no notes at all, completely by memory. God. Why can't my shoddy memory stay shoddy!?)
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    Your biggest problem, Iso, is that you write like a computer programmer. This article is highly technical and while doubtlessly informative, it is going to be of interest only to persons who have an interest in mathematical conlangs based on chess motifs... that is, you.

    My suggestion would be to look at the articles for other conlangs, read them, and try to write based on that. Create an introduction first of all to the uses of this system, why someone might care about it, what's interesting, without saying a damn word about how it works. As it stands? I have no idea why I should give a damn about this and I look at it and go "So... bluh bluh numbers bluh?" Furthermore, reading it is a chore. I imagine that if I wanted to spend time on this I could glean the method from the madness but as it stands I have no invested reason to waste my precious minutes on such a thing.

    Give some context, man.

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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    Hey, so I just started writing Homestuck fics about a week ago, and the story I've been writing has had good reception from the community, but it's all along the lines of "great story, I'm interested in seeing where it's going" and other such vague comments. What I'm really looking for is for someone to tear it apart and tell me what I need to fix to improve my writing style. Obviously this is the place for that to happen, so I ask you all to go at it.

    Here's the fic: http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread...=1#post4753909

    Go for it.
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    I wrote my first real attempts at poetry yesterday. I am not really familiar with the medium (at least, not as much as I should be), so I was hoping that someone here who understands the genre better would be able to help me out.

    All three are relatively short (you could read all three in a couple of minutes), so if it is OK I will go ahead and post them all.

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    Re: Writing Critique Thread: NO FEELINGS ZONE

    This a project I'm currently working on. It's my own idea, but its still very young and in the developmental phase. The purpose of this fictitious letter is to present the idea in a very real and human way, as well as gauge the interest of the viewer to the unknown and the vagueness of the letters subject matter. I am fully open to all forms of criticism, the most responses I can get the better I can advance my ability to compose to the best of my abilities.


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